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two 12-year-olds stab another to 'please slenderman'

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How is this news and thread-worthy? I mean, who cares what two 12 year old girls did? I dont think anybody here thinks that what they did was right.

 

This is easily more newsworthy than what Charlize Theron said in an interview, and I'm not just saying that cause it's my state.


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Jeez, that's really fucked up. Do they really believe Slenderman is real??? If so, they shouldn't be going to jail, they should be going to some kind of psychiatric hospital. 12, that's like 6th grade. I think that's right on the line of adult/child, making it a difficult call. 


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yeah jokes aside i think it's really important that these girls are removed from society and rehabilitated in a safe and sensitive way. they're young enough that they're still emotionally malleable, as it were, and some good and intensive therapy will hopefully go a long way to helping them recover their sensibilities and what have you. obviously this is crazy fucked up, but there are obviously some mitigating factors of which we aren't aware, and with time hopefully the perpetrators will get back to 'normal' and be able to live relatively peaceful lives.

Agreed.

It's absolutely insane to think it's a good idea to just pretend that a child is an adult because they did something particularly bad. They're not adults so treating them as adults isn't going to be the best thing for them or for society. Facing reality and treating them as what they actually are, twelve year old's who have committed a serious crime, and taking the most effective steps to both rehabilitate them and protect society (which, whatever they are, are going to be different from the steps that would be most effective for an adult) has to be the best way.


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is it normal in america to charge 12-year old as adults...? sounds weird.

Not at all. But when a particularly heinous crime is committed by minors and there really aren't any mitigating factors, it's definitely not unheard of to try them as adults. I'd be really interested to see the police reports/transcripts of court appearances on this to see if they have/will express an appropriate amount of remorse over this. A lack of remorse can be another reason that factors into minors being charged as adults.


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Jeez, that's really fucked up. Do they really believe Slenderman is real??? If so, they shouldn't be going to jail, they should be going to some kind of psychiatric hospital. 12, that's like 6th grade. I think that's right on the line of adult/child, making it a difficult call.

Yeah, these two are obviously psychos if they went ahead and did something like this...seriously. I always tip toe a very fine line with the whole rehab vs. prison thing. This doesn't make it any easier.

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Yeah, these two are obviously psychos if they went ahead and did something like this...seriously. I always tip toe a very fine line with the whole rehab vs. prison thing. This doesn't make it any easier.

 

 

can we not with using words like 'psycho' please and thanks.

 

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Yeah, these two are obviously psychos if they went ahead and did something like this...seriously. I always tip toe a very fine line with the whole rehab vs. prison thing. This doesn't make it any easier.

I'm very much a proponent of rehab/intensive mental health counseling/therapy rather than prison, especially for people this young. I've seen jail destroy kids, and I've seen compassionate judges order therapy/rehab and have amazing results. One of my favorite outcomes was a client who was on heroin, an alcoholic, and bulimic to boot who was just destroying herself despite stints in jail. A judge here in town ordered her to go through a rehabilitation program he'd designed and a year later she was clean, healthy, and was in recovery.

 

Of course, sometimes neither one of those options help, but I've seen rehab help way more than prison.


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Really? So abbreviations and shortened versions of words aren't allowed now either? Fml

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Really? So abbreviations and shortened versions of words aren't allowed now either? Fml

you know full well that 'psycho' is a word used to dehumanise and demonise people who have mental illnesses. it's just about having some fucking respect. pretty sure you've been in threads where this has been explained, so you have no excuse.

 

and in any case, this incident was clearly not psychotic in nature; it was premeditated.


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Really? So abbreviations and shortened versions of words aren't allowed now either? Fml

Yes, I thought we learned that last time with "transgenders"


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you know full well that 'psycho' is a word used to dehumanise and demonise people who have mental illnesses. it's just about having some fucking respect. pretty sure you've been in threads where this has been explained, so you have no excuse.
 
and in any case, this incident was clearly not psychotic in nature; it was premeditated.

People who are psychotic can premeditate crimes though. And I honestly dont think ive seen the "dont use psycho" argument here before.

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Psychosis is an already stigmatised mental illness. Not all psychopaths are murderers.

Anyway, Slenderman is fucking scary, it's no wonder they wanted to keep him happy.
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Psychosis is an already stigmatised mental illness. Not all psychopaths are murderers.
Anyway, Slenderman is fucking scary, it's no wonder they wanted to keep him happy.

#notallpsychopaths :)

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#notallpsychopaths :)

#YesAllPsychopaths? Too soon?



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"Psychotic" and "psychopathic" are two different things! Being psychotic involves suffering from delusions or hallucinations, being psychopathic involves lacking empathy for other people. All the more reason not to use a vague word like "psycho" which is used to demonize people suffering from psychosis and as an inaccurate an unhelpful blanket term for different mental illnesses or behaviours that only serves to spread ignorance. I don't think it's been reported that these children have a mental illness anyway, one that starts with "psycho-" or not, and pretty sure no one in this thread is in a position to diagnose them.


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Oh so now we're adding "psycho" to our list of slurs we're using? Lovely.



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Jesus, nothing ever happens in Waukesha.

 

i read this as wow kesha now tik tok is stuck in my head

 

/meaningful contribution


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"Psychotic" and "psychopathic" are two different things! Being psychotic involves suffering from delusions or hallucinations, being psychopathic involves lacking empathy for other people. All the more reason not to use a vague word like "psycho" which is used to demonize people suffering from psychosis and as an inaccurate an unhelpful blanket term for different mental illnesses or behaviours that only serves to spread ignorance. I don't think it's been reported that these children have a mental illness anyway, one that starts with "psycho-" or not, and pretty sure no one in this thread is in a position to diagnose them.

Since this post is probably targeting me again. I'll just say I feel no sympathy for people who kill other people and that's why I can call them any vague word I want.


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i read this as wow kesha now tik tok is stuck in my head

 

/meaningful contribution

 

It's funny you say that. The correct pronunciation is "WAUH-ke-shah," but ever since I saw someone spell it "WauKe$ha" on Facebook, my head pronunciation is "wauh-KE-$ha." 

 

/less meaningful contribution


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"Psychotic" and "psychopathic" are two different things! Being psychotic involves suffering from delusions or hallucinations, being psychopathic involves lacking empathy for other people. All the more reason not to use a vague word like "psycho" which is used to demonize people suffering from psychosis and as an inaccurate an unhelpful blanket term for different mental illnesses or behaviours that only serves to spread ignorance. I don't think it's been reported that these children have a mental illness anyway, one that starts with "psycho-" or not, and pretty sure no one in this thread is in a position to diagnose them.

Take your logic and gtfo please


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It's funny you say that. The correct pronunciation is "WAUH-ke-shah," but ever since I saw someone spell it "WauKe$ha" on Facebook, my head pronunciation is "wauh-KE-$ha." 

 

/less meaningful contribution

 

au as in ahh or orr?? tbf no matter what you tell me it's going to be wow kesha forever



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au as in ahh or orr?? tbf no matter what you tell me it's going to be wow kesha forever

 

It's a really hard sound to spell phonetically :lol: Closer to "orrr" I guess, but with a softer "r" sound.

 

#midwest


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Heard they want to charge them as adults so they can try and get them the maximum of 60 years in prison each.  Pretty sure that means they wouldn't get any therapy but it will be interesting to see how the trial plays out.



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Since this post is probably targeting me again. I'll just say I feel no sympathy for people who kill other people and that's why I can call them any vague word I want.

Wasn't really targeting anyone, just pointing out that "psychotic", "psychopathic", and "psycho" mean different things. It has nothing to do with having sympathy for the people who committed these crimes, the issue is that using these words incorrectly can lead to other people who didn't commit any crime being unfairly labelled or discriminated against.


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Y'all a big bunch of psychos


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I know this question is a little stupid, but didn't anyone see that coming? I mean, what, their parents/grandparents/friends/uncles saw nothing weird, and they were perfectly healthy and happy 12 year olds playing with toys until they suddenly stabbed their friend 19 times? I think they should check their environment and see who raised them and how. I don't think kids that young can be held 100% accountable for their actions. After all, putting them in jail for 60 years isn't solving the problem, those kids need therapy. 


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I know this question is a little stupid, but didn't anyone see that coming? I mean, what, their parents/grandparents/friends/uncles saw nothing weird, and they were perfectly healthy and happy 12 year olds playing with toys until they suddenly stabbed their friend 19 times? I think they should check their environment and see who raised them and how. I don't think kids that young can be held 100% accountable for their actions. After all, putting them in jail for 60 years isn't solving the problem, those kids need therapy. 

To be fair, that tends to be the kind of age when people begin to demand (and require) privacy. I don't necessarily think it's fair to blame people for not noticing anything in advance. This kind of thing happens a lot and people are stunned by the perpetrator/s. You never really know what's going on in someone's head. I'm also 100% behind at least trying rehab, however. Locking kids up at 12 is an overreaction whatever they've done, no one is a lost cause at that age. 


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Guess I know the subject matter for the next ASP song. :woot:



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But mental hospitals are sometimes worse than prisons at least according to someone I knew whose been to both

A family member has been to a mental hosp said it was literally hell on earth

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I don't think minors should ever be charged with crimes in adult courts. Radical, I know. But you know what, we don't go around making random exceptions for children and adolescents to drive, drink, smoke, vote, gamble, join the military or anything else. Why should crime be the only thing that doesn't work this way? 

 

This isn't to say a 17 year old serial killer should be allowed to be walking the streets. It just means to let a family court deal with them and when they're older if they're beyond help they can be institutionalized in a mental health facility or a prison indefinitely. 


But mental hospitals are sometimes worse than prisons at least according to someone I knew whose been to both

A family member has been to a mental hosp said it was literally hell on earth

 

These are usually ones at hospitals, because they are understaffed and have a whole host of people strung out on drugs and violent, unstable criminals too close to suicide attempt victims and the staff just doesn't have the resources to help. 

 

Most mental health facilities, long term ones though, have voluntary patients as a majority and it's not like stereotypes show. There are exceptions, sure. But in any case, two disturbed twelve year olds should not be denied a chance at living freely again someday if they can be rehabilitated, which we don't know. 


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