Jollyroger118 Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 So after spending most of my life listening to Green Day I've realized they use a lot of the same strum patterns and whatnot and I was wondering if those are common in other bands too? Green Days great at somehow making the same patterns and chords sound different and unique every song (probably due to the melodies) but are those patterns used by other bands and do they do similar stuff like that too?? I've been trying to really figure out how music works and this would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Well, yeah, they're just bog-standard punk power chord strum patterns. They've been used by every punk band ever. No one ever accused Green Day of being creative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They use the same strum patterns because they started out in the punk scene. A lot of the fast pop punk stuff developed from The Ramones, and Johnny Ramone only played power chords and down-stroked for most of their songs. The basic guitar style hasn't changed much because that's what makes punk music punk, stylistically speaking, and that's probably why they have the same strum patterns. It's a genre thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Aside from simple eighth notes the whole way through (a lot of their songs) there aren't many notable ones. Good Riddance comes to mind with Quarter Quarter Eight Eight Eight Quarter Eighth Eighth Quarter Eighth Eighth Eighth and I'm pretty sure they have some with Quarter Eighth Quarter Eighth Eighth Eighth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I have to say that I know literally nothing about real strum patterns, but from being very familiar with playing "guitar" on Green Day Rock Band as well as most other Rock Band/Guitar Hero games I have noticed that there does seem to be something distinctive about the strumming, based on how it's translated into the game anyway . Kind of the same with other punk/pop punk songs as well (like, lots of the same chord fast in a row), but it seems Green Day in particular will go da da da da da and then dada quickly before changing to another chord, like da da da da da dada dee dee dee dee dee. And there's other stuff as well that's harder to pin down, their songs just feel the same to play (same with other bands who have multiple songs on those games too). I am curious to know if this is any kind of true reflection of a real pattern in their songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I have to say that I know literally nothing about real strum patterns, but from being very familiar with playing "guitar" on Green Day Rock Band as well as most other Rock Band/Guitar Hero games I have noticed that there does seem to be something distinctive about the strumming, based on how it's translated into the game anyway . Kind of the same with other punk/pop punk songs as well (like, lots of the same chord fast in a row), but it seems Green Day in particular will go da da da da da and then dada quickly before changing to another chord, like da da da da da dada dee dee dee dee dee. And there's other stuff as well that's harder to pin down, their songs just feel the same to play (same with other bands who have multiple songs on those games too). I am curious to know if this is any kind of true reflection of a real pattern in their songs I know exactly what you're talking about. They only do it on some songs in the recordings but Billie does it nearly every chord change live. You can especially hear/see it in the acoustic version of Redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 the most creative element of Green Day is the lyrics, thats no secret. Many songs are confused with each other. I don't see the bad thing in it, they did FBHT and The Network which was a bit broader musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funky Kong Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They use basic power chord punk structure but that's their sound it's given them success so might as well stick to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 I've always liked Basket Case's strumming pattern. There's nothing worse than hearing a cover from somebody who hasn't quite grasped it. It always used to surprise me how many people got it wrong but I guess we all can't be super fans! It's a bit of an odd one to be fair! Took a while to get down for me, not even because of not knowing it but because it's not quite what one would expect and doesn't feel natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Disappearing Boy Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Yeah I still haven't got the strumming pattern for Basket Case down.I suppose I've never really bothered to learn it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis. Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 They use the same strum patterns because they started out in the punk scene. A lot of the fast pop punk stuff developed from The Ramones, and Johnny Ramone only played power chords and down-stroked for most of their songs. The basic guitar style hasn't changed much because that's what makes punk music punk, stylistically speaking, and that's probably why they have the same strum patterns. It's a genre thing. pfft, Johnny used barre chords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eva Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 pfft, Johnny used barre chords it's pretty much the same concept though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 it's pretty much the same concept though Barre chords are colored. Power chords are used explicitly to avoid color. Alternately because n00b guitarists can't into finger strength, but that's a side effect and not a feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis. Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 it's pretty much the same concept though Yeah, it doesn't matter much to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khris Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I've always liked Basket Case's strumming pattern. There's nothing worse than hearing a cover from somebody who hasn't quite grasped it. It always used to surprise me how many people got it wrong but I guess we all can't be super fans! Haha I actually always notice that too, mainly on the intro/bridge. It actually bugs the fuck out of me when people don't play it right. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 You guys make me feel like a shitty punk and guitarist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I know exactly what you're talking about. They only do it on some songs in the recordings but Billie does it nearly every chord change live. You can especially hear/see it in the acoustic version of Redundant. Thank you for the confirmation! Knew there was something in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 On top of what's already been said, they also like to do what's called a "push" a lot, too. It's very common in punk in general actually but it's a feature in practically every Green Day song ever. It's basically a syncopation technique where the chord change comes between the last beat in one bar and the start of the next one (so the seventh quaver [that's an "eight note" to Americans, lol] in the bar). Then that chord will be held for the first quaver, or sometimes crotchet (quarter note) of the next bar. It tends to drive the song forward and give it more energy, especially in choruses (see: Uptight). Interestingly, they like to use it in verses and play straight in the choruses sometimes, flipping the idea on its head. The second chord in the main riff of American Idiot is a perfect example of it. And the third, actually. Having the guitar and bass play ahead of the drum beat in this way is a really interesting technique, and gets overlooked due to it being used a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I notice the quick little double-strums that Billie Joe sometimes does between chords. Since I don't really know how else to explain for those who aren't sure what I mean, here's a few seconds of "She's A Rebel" acoustic strumming that I recorded on my phone. This seems to be more of a live thing for Billie Joe than something we hear on studio tracks. I think he tries to keep it out of most recorded songs, because it's basically just a percussive noise. I like it, though...adds some power to certain songs being played live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 On top of what's already been said, they also like to do what's called a "push" a lot, too. It's very common in punk in general actually but it's a feature in practically every Green Day song ever. It's basically a syncopation technique where the chord change comes between the last beat in one bar and the start of the next one (so the seventh quaver [that's an "eight note" to Americans, lol] in the bar). Then that chord will be held for the first quaver, or sometimes crotchet (quarter note) of the next bar. It tends to drive the song forward and give it more energy, especially in choruses (see: Uptight). Interestingly, they like to use it in verses and play straight in the choruses sometimes, flipping the idea on its head. The second chord in the main riff of American Idiot is a perfect example of it. And the third, actually. Having the guitar and bass play ahead of the drum beat in this way is a really interesting technique, and gets overlooked due to it being used a lot.Interesting!Surprised no one has mentioned the quick little double-strums that Billie Joe sometimes does between chords. Since I don't really know how else to explain for those who aren't sure what I mean, here's a few seconds of "She's A Rebel" acoustic strumming that I recorded on my phone. This seems to be more of a live thing for Billie Joe than something we hear on studio tracks. I think he tries to keep it out of most recorded songs, because it's basically just a percussive noise. I like it, though...adds some power to certain songs being played live.That's what I was referring to with my much harder to understand description haha. I'm glad to know other people have noticed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 That's what I was referring to with my much harder to understand description haha. I'm glad to know other people have noticed this. Yep, I wondered if you were talking about the same thing, haha. Figured I'd show what I meant anyway. But yeah, it seems to be just a part of his playing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollyroger118 Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 So ultimately these patterns and techniques are used by many punk bands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 So ultimately these patterns and techniques are used by many punk bands? Some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollyroger118 Posted May 27, 2014 Author Share Posted May 27, 2014 Thanks for all the info guys, I learned some cool stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Aquino Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 On top of what's already been said, they also like to do what's called a "push" a lot, too. It's very common in punk in general actually but it's a feature in practically every Green Day song ever. It's basically a syncopation technique where the chord change comes between the last beat in one bar and the start of the next one (so the seventh quaver [that's an "eight note" to Americans, lol] in the bar). Then that chord will be held for the first quaver, or sometimes crotchet (quarter note) of the next bar. It tends to drive the song forward and give it more energy, especially in choruses (see: Uptight). Interestingly, they like to use it in verses and play straight in the choruses sometimes, flipping the idea on its head. The second chord in the main riff of American Idiot is a perfect example of it. And the third, actually. Having the guitar and bass play ahead of the drum beat in this way is a really interesting technique, and gets overlooked due to it being used a lot. Yeah I notice that in many Green Day songs especially in the earlier days. I think a lot of the times when he plays those live he would also do a down stroke instead of an up stroke when he switches the chords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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