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This may seem strange

After watching broadway idiot I've been sitting on you tube watching old green day footage



This one from just before insomniac came out

It's crazy how much the guys have matured and grown up and changed

Billie seems so dull and rude and u happy
Compared to now. Like in broAd way idiot how happy he is and doing the show ect

Then back in 95 he was talking about how he hates actors and musicians ect

Also they say how they would alway want to keep ticket prices low. Because why do they need money ect

Then 2013 tickets are around £60

Just interested about how you guys feel about this and just to start a conversation up

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Just to throw my two cents in there: while I greatly prefer current Billie to Dookie-era Billie (in terms of live performances anyway [save the "JOY"-ing and, recently, his fucked-up voice], not his ego), I don't think he's all that happy these days, either.



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I just cant if it's an act ... For his image to be that punk i don't give a fuck. Dull image that went along with insomniac as opposed to the colourful fun dookie time

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Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.


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He can be angry with I heart promoters lol

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Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.

I'm rather worried that even not being content isn't enough. I'm sure he was far from happy pre-IHEart, and that's what yielded us the Trilogy. Maybe he's just written every good song he's going to.



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I'm rather worried that even not being content isn't enough. I'm sure he was far from happy pre-IHEart, and that's what yielded us the Trilogy. Maybe he's just written every good song he's going to.

 

I don't even really count that as Billie. He was drinking and drugging way out of control. Almost like a different person.

 

There's no other explanation for the Trilogy :P



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This may seem strange

After watching broadway idiot I've been sitting on you tube watching old green day footage

This one from just before insomniac came out

It's crazy how much the guys have matured and grown up and changed

Billie seems so dull and rude and u happy
Compared to now. Like in broAd way idiot how happy he is and doing the show ect

Then back in 95 he was talking about how he hates actors and musicians ect

Also they say how they would alway want to keep ticket prices low. Because why do they need money ect

Then 2013 tickets are around £60

Just interested about how you guys feel about this and just to start a conversation up

Yes!! I've noticed this so much! I often wonder if 1995 green day would like the current green day.

Edited by Not Anyone., 28 February 2014 - 07:44 PM.
Please don't quote videos.


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People change over time, they grow up. I was a total introvert in high school who felt kinda suicidal, now I'm generally happy ( not all the time) and I enjoy being social. So the trilogy was not their greatest piece of work, even Bob Dylan and the Beatles had some shitty songs (in my opinion).

This thread will probably be closed anyway.



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Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.


This. No good music ever came from happy circumstances. Even with the happiness that clearly came with the success of American Idiot, they were still angry at all the shit in the world, and that's how Breakdown managed to be good. But in career terms they've got everything now, which is why there's no edge to the Trilogy and it's mostly poor sex jokes.
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I totally get the whole. People chance. Mature and grow older

Perspectives and opinions change ect

I'm more just looking at this with curiosity and just too see what you all think

As i said it seems that they are trying more so to alienate themselves more to prove they are not sellouts after the backlash of dookie. Since some songs on insomniac touch on the subject
Pars of that interview with billie stoping the band from justifying them selfs and talking about how he hates celebs ect

Just so strange

Tre is just fucked up as per haha
Also I don't see why this should be closed

It's a discussion

One that I personally find interesting
And wanted to see what you all thought

What about the ticket price comments lol

They ain't cheap now haha even after they cut production ( compared to 21cb tour that must have cost a bit to run )

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They've just grown up is all! Like billie said, "it's sexy to be an angry old man, not a bitter old bastard". He's said himself he wishes he'd enjoyed that time a lot more, not been as grumpy. I guess it was a part of who he was at the time.

As for ticket prices, everything gets more expensive over time. Twenty years ago a Mars bar cost 20 odd pence, now it's pretty much triple that haha.
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I miss "old Billie," personally. I mean, I love "new Billie," too, but I can't identify with him anymore. But 22-year-old, "everyone is a fucking asshole, I am fucking poor, and I am so fucking angry" Billie? Oh man, of course I can identify with that. I don't see myself in a 40-something year-old man who has a house worth millions of dollars and a beach house worth a million dollars and 20 guitars, a wife, and two kids. I just don't get it. 

 

In regards to music, I could relate to it all until the Trilogy happened. Before American Idiot, even though Warning is a bit more poppier and upbeat than the normal stuff I listen to, I could always find something in the lyrics and the music that sounds like me. With American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown, I felt attached to it because the world sucks, politics suck, and being a loner going nowhere sucks. The Trilogy is about sex, and I don't get that. I can't identify with 30-something songs about sex. Maybe one or two, but definitely not three albums' worth. So I prefer "old Billie" because he was young and angry and he knew how to talk about it. I like "new Billie" but I just don't understand him, and that makes it a lot harder for me to get into their new stuff. 


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They need money to keep making music and keep touring, the price has probably gone up a lot since 1994/95.



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Ticket prices have clearly gone up at a faster rate and inflation, though. It's partly down to the fact Green Day don't have a 360 deal, so they have to pay for everything themselves. Given the size of the production on the 21st Century Breakdown tour prices were bound to go up, and you also have to take into account the venues and promoters, who basically set the price. Green Day are big business now, and as inconvenient as it is we kind of have to accept that their ticket prices are going to continue going through the roof. They're not even that bad compared to a lot of similar level acts, but I paid three times as much to see them in 2010 as I did in 2005.

That's nothing to do with their attitude, though. It's because they're more successful and people are willing to pay seemingly anything to see them. I'm sure it'd be a lot cheaper if it was just up to the band.

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It's not crazy at all that they've changed in 19 years :P That's a lot of time, if they hadn't changed then that would be crazy.


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Basically, they used to be twats, but aren't any more. I prefer their attitude now.

 

As for ticket prices - they're a bigger band now, they can get away with charging more money.



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it's not like they set their own ticket prices though do they? i mean, they have their faults but they've certainly never struck me as caring about money or being greedy. i think i paid around 60 dollars for my ticket when i saw them on the 99 revs tour and that didn't seem too bad. prices have gone up but it's worth every penny.


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I miss "old Billie," personally. I mean, I love "new Billie," too, but I can't identify with him anymore. But 22-year-old, "everyone is a fucking asshole, I am fucking poor, and I am so fucking angry" Billie? Oh man, of course I can identify with that. I don't see myself in a 40-something year-old man who has a house worth millions of dollars and a beach house worth a million dollars and 20 guitars, a wife, and two kids. I just don't get it. 

I think that's really interesting, like people can relate to the different albums at different stages in their lives. I was listening to Nimrod the other day and I remembered how I used to put on Reject, Platypus and Take Back when I was angry back in my school days. Yesterday I found that I no longer related to them in the same way, I'm a little less angst-y now :lol: but  they remind me of a time when I used to feel like that and the music helped me feel better. 


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Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.

But I want the wonderful man to be happy...  :(



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I think that's really interesting, like people can relate to the different albums at different stages in their lives. I was listening to Nimrod the other day and I remembered how I used to put on Reject, Platypus and Take Back when I was angry back in my school days. Yesterday I found that I no longer related to them in the same way, I'm a little less angst-y now :lol: but  they remind me of a time when I used to feel like that and the music helped me feel better. 

Yeah, I do think it's interesting. Then again, Billie has proven that he can still make his work relatable, even if they can't relate directly. I mean, I can relate to American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown even though he wrote them when he was in the same stage of his life (or pretty close to it) as he is now. It's just that now he's alienating his audience. I mean, I'm all for songs about sex but I can't identify with 30 of them. I can identify with them as long as there's something else of substance on the record (like he did with American Idiot or 21CB). It's interesting and I feel he could do a lot better than he did on the Trilogy. He knows how people feel and he knows how to communicate with people. He just didn't utilize that skill with the Trilogy.



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Yeah, I do think it's interesting. Then again, Billie has proven that he can still make his work relatable, even if they can't relate directly. I mean, I can relate to American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown even though he wrote them when he was in the same stage of his life (or pretty close to it) as he is now. It's just that now he's alienating his audience. I mean, I'm all for songs about sex but I can't identify with 30 of them. I can identify with them as long as there's something else of substance on the record (like he did with American Idiot or 21CB). It's interesting and I feel he could do a lot better than he did on the Trilogy. He knows how people feel and he knows how to communicate with people. He just didn't utilize that skill with the Trilogy.

It's quite weird, when you think about it most of Billie's lyrics pre-Trilogy are relatable in some way (be it mental issues, generalised politics, whatever), whereas on the Trilogy it's very much lifestyle-based, and as such harder to relate to. I mean, even their more political songs can be related to on a personal level because Billie's just such a clever lyricist, but when it comes to Dos, it's like... if you're not into wild, debauched parties and fucking random strangers, what is there to relate to? There's not even much clever word play to relate to when all else fails, which was one of the key elements of his writing up until at least Warning.


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Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.

His Steve Jobs tangent sure did wonders for him...

 

 

You are correct. Hopefully his during/post rehab period was  a catalyst, even with him having recovered (by all accounts) at this time.


It's quite weird, when you think about it most of Billie's lyrics pre-Trilogy are relatable in some way (be it mental issues, generalised politics, whatever), whereas on the Trilogy it's very much lifestyle-based, and as such harder to relate to. I mean, even their more political songs can be related to on a personal level because Billie's just such a clever lyricist, but when it comes to Dos, it's like... if you're not into wild, debauched parties and fucking random strangers, what is there to relate to? There's not even much clever word play to relate to when all else fails, which was one of the key elements of his writing up until at least Warning.

In retrospect, with the Occupy WS movement being dead and all, it makes the lyrics of 99 Revs seem even more foolish. Surely Billie new the situation would blow over and become unrelatable in the future.



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In retrospect, with the Occupy WS movement being dead and all, it makes the lyrics of 99 Revs seem even more foolish. Surely Billie new the situation would blow over and become unrelatable in the future.

That song would have been great if it had been released at the right time. They should have put it out as a standalone single, if it was finished by that point. I'd have left it off the album entirely given how outdated it already was by that point. To name the tour after it and play it first every night just seemed ridiculous. You'd think they'd know this, given how American Idiot's success was partly down to how acutely relevant it was. It should have been obvious that the timing of political songs is just as important as the content itself.



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That song would have been great if it had been released at the right time. They should have put it out as a standalone single, if it was finished by that point. I'd have left it off the album entirely given how outdated it already was by that point. To name the tour after it and play it first every night just seemed ridiculous. You'd think they'd know this, given how American Idiot's success was partly down to how acutely relevant it was. It should have been obvious that the timing of political songs is just as important as the content itself.

Even now the last minute of the song makes it seem like it wasn't finished anyway. Uuhh... yeah, let's just repeat x 50, should work.

 

Placing the song as the opener also made it seem like a replacement for KYE, I definitely got the same vibe from both songs live last March. That said, Nuclear Family and Let Yourself Go both do a better job of that. 


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Even now the last minute of the song makes it seem like it wasn't finished anyway. Uuhh... yeah, let's just repeat x 50, should work.

 

Placing the song as the opener also made it seem like a replacement for KYE, I definitely got the same vibe from both songs live last March. That said, Nuclear Family and Let Yourself Go both do a better job of that. 

See also: Uptight.

 

Yeah, I see what you mean. If they had to use a song from the Trilogy as the opener they should have gone with Nuclear Family. To go from American Idiot, to 21st Century Breakdown, to 99 Revolutions as the opener was a real disappointment. There's no need for both, because as you say, there's already KYE. No one needs two piss poor protest songs back to back, however energetic they are.


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I can tell the difference but they didn't change that much. <<<As for interviews I mean. They're always funny and honest and even when you notice they don't wanna be there anymore they can handle it pretty cool and make it through with those cute smiles and funny comments (Tré, specially <3) :happy:



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It's quite weird, when you think about it most of Billie's lyrics pre-Trilogy are relatable in some way (be it mental issues, generalised politics, whatever), whereas on the Trilogy it's very much lifestyle-based, and as such harder to relate to. I mean, even their more political songs can be related to on a personal level because Billie's just such a clever lyricist, but when it comes to Dos, it's like... if you're not into wild, debauched parties and fucking random strangers, what is there to relate to? There's not even much clever word play to relate to when all else fails, which was one of the key elements of his writing up until at least Warning.

isn't Dookie kind of lifestyle based though?

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isn't Dookie kind of lifestyle based though?


Exactly...
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People change and mature over the course of 20 years? Mind = blown :P

 

Also they say how they would alway want to keep ticket prices low. Because why do they need money ect
 

Around the same time and before that, they also often went out of their way to point out that just because they'd kept ticket prices low (and even made a loss on tours because of it), it didn't mean it was something they particularly stood for or that it was something they'd always do. They found themselves able to do that at that time, didn't mean it would be the same on every tour. Wish I could remember which interviews it was but they've definitely said things along those lines. 

 

Besides, they do still keep prices low by today's standards. They have a more expensive show to put on and all the hundreds of people involved need to be paid for it, not just them. They even made a loss on the 21st CB tour because of keeping prices low. They might not be as insanely cheap as in Dookie times but they're still reasonable compared to prices for most acts as successful as them.


Angry/depressed/bored Billie makes the best music. If he doesn't recapture some of that negativity his songwriting is only going to suffer more. He's far too content now, he's got nothing to be angry about.

Have you heard the lyrics on any of their recent albums? How is that content?! The stuff he's angry/concerned about has changed of course and he looks at things in a more mature way, but I wouldn't say he comes across as content in his lyrics by any means.


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