GreenDay_Demolicious Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 After a few hours of research and increased interest in the "lost" album, I think I have compiled a decent track list of the album. Replies and your thoughts would be very appreciated. Next to most of the songs is where the track is from. Cigarettes and Valentines Theory Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed) Dropout (Confirmed) Walk Away (Likely Tre version/Confirmed) I Fought the Law (Cover-The Clash-2004) Too Much Too Soon (B Side) Olivia (Live) Carpe Diem/Nuclear Family (Uno) Dream Catcher (Live) Thing I've Heard Today (Audio Message) Favorite Son/Governator(B Sides) Murder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Both 21st Century Breakdown Shoplifter (B Side) Stop When the Red Lights Flash/See You Tonight (Tre) Maria (International Superhits!) Hybrid Moments (Cover-Misfits-2011) Roshambo (Money Money 2020-The Network) Life During Wartime(Pinhead Gunpowder)/Hearts Collide(B Side) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Certified Nimrod Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What makes you think that these songs were on C&V? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 After a few hours of research and increased interest in the "lost" album, I think I have compiled a decent track list of the album. Replies and your thoughts would be very appreciated. Next to most of the songs is where the track is from. Cigarettes and Valentines Theory Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed) Dropout (Confirmed) Walk Away (Likely Tre version/Confirmed) I Fought the Law (Cover-The Clash-2004) Too Much Too Soon (B Side) Olivia (Live) Carpe Diem/Nuclear Family (Uno) Dreamcatcher (Live) Thing I've Heard Today (Audio Message) Favorite Son/Governator(B Sides) Murder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Both 21st Century Breakdown Shoplifter (B Side) Stop When the Red Lights Flash/See You Tonight (Tre) Maria (International Superhits!) Hybrid Moments (Cover-Misfits-2011) Roshambo (Money Money 2020-The Network) Life During Wartime(Pinhead Gunpowder)/Hearts Collide(B Side) Pretty damn sure there's no way "American Eulogy" was in any form written back in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDay_Demolicious Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks for the quick feedback guys, I really appreciated your critique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Why would they re-release Maria for the third time, and why would they release a Pinhead Gunpowder song? Out of all of them? Green Day has never covered PHGP, only Big Yellow Taxi originally by Joni Mitchell. And the rest of your list dude. I know you're new, but damn.... Olivia was unknown until 2010 when they played it live. If anything, it would've been a 21CB or Trilogy session song. And Murder City was written Jan 8th, 2009 after the riots about the BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant And how many times do I have to make it clear.... Dream Catcher, not Dreamcatcher. It's like "It's Fuck Time" all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDay_Demolicious Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 What makes you think that these songs were on C&V? Well the first three songs are already confirmed. I'm not very sure but Murder City and Too Much Too Soon sound kind of similar, and Too Much Too Soon was around during that time period. "I Fought The Law" could have been recorded for C&V. "Carpe Diem" and "Nuclear Family" kinda sound like they fit the fast, "punk" category that the band was intending. I'll post more about it later, I gotta get to bed soon anyway. Why would they re-release Maria for the third time, and why would they release a Pinhead Gunpowder song? Out of all of them? Green Day has never covered PHGP, only Big Yellow Taxi originally by Joni Mitchell. And the rest of your list dude. I know you're new, but damn.... Olivia was unknown until 2010 when they played it live. If anything, it would've been a 21CB or Trilogy session song. And Murder City was written Jan 8th, 2009 after the riots about the BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant And how many times do I have to make it clear.... Dream Catcher, not Dreamcatcher. It's like "It's Fuck Time" all over again Thanks for your feedback , i'll correct "Dream Catcher" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'm not very sure but Murder City and Too Much Too Soon sound kind of similar , and Too Much Too Soon was around during that time period. "I Fought The Law" could have been recorded for C&V. "Carpe Diem" and "Nuclear Family" kinda sound like they fi t the fast, "punk" category that the band was intending. I'll post more about it later, I gotta get to bed soon anyway. That kind of connecting the dots won't exactly hold up in a court of law. And how many times do I have to make it clear.... Dream Catcher, not Dreamcatcher. It's like "It's Fuck Time" all over again I actually like "Fucktime" better as a title. Not that I'd ever actually use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Are we being trolled? List de-bunked Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed)Dropout (Confirmed)Walk Away (Confirmed)I Fought the Law - released before American Idiot - possibleToo Much Too Soon (Confirmed)Olivia - Played live once in 2010, probably 21CB or Trilogy Outtake Carpe Diem/Nuclear Family - Written in 2010/2011, earliest of trilogy songs. Most likely not on C&VDream Catcher - Soundchecked in 2010 alongside Oh Girl, when Green Day were working on trilogy songs. Probably 21CB or Trilogy outtakeThings I Heard Today - posted on Greenday.com in 2001 as phone message... possibleFavorite Son/Governator - released as AI B-sides, so maybeMurder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Murder City was written January 2009 after shooting of Oscar Grant, Modern World was first song written for 21CBShoplifter - online only single released before American Idiot.. possibleStop When the Red Lights Flash/See You Tonight - SWTRLF written in 2010 with early trilogy songs, SYT was done in Billie's home studioMaria - this was released on the 2001 Waiting single and then re-recorded for Int SH, why would they release it again???Hybrid Moments - Green Day didn't start playing this one until 2011, so I don't think so. Roshambo It's possible, but Green Day had multiple projects going in 2003, along with a Christmas album, so this was probably recorded just for The Network.Life During Wartime - This is a cover of another band that Green Day has never played live. Billie did it accoustic on KALX along with Beastly Bit, but He's in PHGP, so he can play their songs and represent them separately from green day, can't he? Just because he does something solo doesn't mean it's Green Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Please use the search function to find other C&V threads and mods please pick your favorite to combine this with. Every time a new thread gets started people just argue about shit we already know. Anyway, your list - Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed) - Yes.Dropout (Confirmed) - Yes, but we haven't heard it.Walk Away (Likely Tre version/Confirmed) - Yes but we don't know for sure that it's the one on Tré.Too Much Too Soon (B Side) - Yes! Even though you stated earlier that you just guessed at this, it was confirmed in a radio interview.Thing I've Heard Today (Audio Message) - This one, Minnesota Girl, and What About Today have the most probability of any just because of when they were recorded, but there's no confirming it.Favorite Son/Governator(B Sides) - Favorite Son was for that Rock Against Bush album, so no. Governator probs notMurder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Both 21st Century Breakdown - Tman already illustrated that definitely not for Murder City. American Eulogy probs not.Shoplifter (B Side) - This one goes along with the audio message ones. We don't know for sure, but it's possible.Maria (International Superhits!) - That was on the waiting single first, so no.Hybrid Moments (Cover-Misfits-2011) - What? Why even.Roshambo (Money Money 2020-The Network) - There are theories that the whole of Money Money 2020 is just C&V, so maybe but probs not.Life During Wartime(Pinhead Gunpowder)/Hearts Collide(B Side) - Goes along with the audio messages, but Billie Joe recorded this one specifically for some war-related event, so I don't see why it would be likely for C&V. Ignored your others that were just wild guessing altogether. Those are all the ones with either certain confirmation or a specific reason why it's wrong. [Edit:] Hey dickfarter you post-sniped me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDay_Demolicious Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Please use the search function to find other C&V threads and mods please pick your favorite to combine this with. Every time a new thread gets started people just argue about shit we already know. Anyway, your list - Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed) - Yes.Dropout (Confirmed) - Yes, but we haven't heard it.Walk Away (Likely Tre version/Confirmed) - Yes but we don't know for sure that it's the one on Tré.Too Much Too Soon (B Side) - Yes! Even though you stated earlier that you just guessed at this, it was confirmed in a radio interview.Thing I've Heard Today (Audio Message) - This one, Minnesota Girl, and What About Today have the most probability of any just because of when they were recorded, but there's no confirming it.Favorite Son/Governator(B Sides) - Favorite Son was for that Rock Against Bush album, so no. Governator probs notMurder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Both 21st Century Breakdown - Tman already illustrated that definitely not for Murder City. American Eulogy probs not.Shoplifter (B Side) - This one goes along with the audio message ones. We don't know for sure, but it's possible.Maria (International Superhits!) - That was on the waiting single first, so no.Hybrid Moments (Cover-Misfits-2011) - What? Why even.Roshambo (Money Money 2020-The Network) - There are theories that the whole of Money Money 2020 is just C&V, so maybe but probs not.Life During Wartime(Pinhead Gunpowder)/Hearts Collide(B Side) - Goes along with the audio messages, but Billie Joe recorded this one specifically for some war-related event, so I don't see why it would be likely for C&V. Ignored your others that were just wild guessing altogether. Those are all the ones with either certain confirmation or a specific reason why it's wrong. Thanks man, the exact critique I needed. I try getting to researching this more soon, but as of now I am going to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Please use the search function to find other C&V threads and mods please pick your favorite to combine this with. Every time a new thread gets started people just argue about shit we already know. Anyway, your list - Cigarettes and Valentines (Confirmed) - Yes.Dropout (Confirmed) - Yes, but we haven't heard it.Walk Away (Likely Tre version/Confirmed) - Yes but we don't know for sure that it's the one on Tré.Too Much Too Soon (B Side) - Yes! Even though you stated earlier that you just guessed at this, it was confirmed in a radio interview.Thing I've Heard Today (Audio Message) - This one, Minnesota Girl, and What About Today have the most probability of any just because of when they were recorded, but there's no confirming it.Favorite Son/Governator(B Sides) - Favorite Son was for that Rock Against Bush album, so no. Governator probs notMurder City/Modern World (American Eulogy)- Both 21st Century Breakdown - Tman already illustrated that definitely not for Murder City. American Eulogy probs not.Shoplifter (B Side) - This one goes along with the audio message ones. We don't know for sure, but it's possible.Maria (International Superhits!) - That was on the waiting single first, so no.Hybrid Moments (Cover-Misfits-2011) - What? Why even.Roshambo (Money Money 2020-The Network) - There are theories that the whole of Money Money 2020 is just C&V, so maybe but probs not.Life During Wartime(Pinhead Gunpowder)/Hearts Collide(B Side) - Goes along with the audio messages, but Billie Joe recorded this one specifically for some war-related event, so I don't see why it would be likely for C&V. Ignored your others that were just wild guessing altogether. Those are all the ones with either certain confirmation or a specific reason why it's wrong. [Edit:] Hey dickfarter you post-sniped me. Would you say Favorite Son is about George Bush? I've been wondering that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDay_Demolicious Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks man, the exact critique I needed. I try getting to researching this more soon, but as of now I am going to bed. There is definitely no way that very many if not any at all were from Money Money 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks man, the exact critique I needed. I try getting to researching this more soon, but as of now I am going to bed. The best list we actually have is as follows: Confirmed - Cigarettes and Valentines, Too Much Too Soon Confirmed but not heard - Drop Out, Walk Away, and I think there was another? Strong Possibility - Things I Heard Today, Minnesota Girl, What About Today Weaker Possibility - Shoplifter Also I think Horseshoes and Handgrenades was actually written circa 2003. I can't remember if they said it was written "For American Idiot" or "Around 2003" but that could be a possibility along with Shoplifter. Would you say Favorite Son is about George Bush? I've been wondering that Yeah, definitely. First of all it was on that comp and second there was this whole thing about how he only got into politics and made it up there to make daddy proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 The best list we actually have is as follows: Confirmed - Cigarettes and Valentines, Too Much Too Soon Confirmed but not heard - Drop Out, Walk Away, and I think there was another? Strong Possibility - Things I Heard Today, Minnesota Girl, What About Today Weaker Possibility - Shoplifter Yeah, definitely. First of all it was on that comp and second of all there was this whole thing about how he only got into politics and made it up there to make daddy proud. What do you think of Boys In the Bathroom Stall? I miss having Tre songs on albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 What do you think of Boys In the Bathroom Stall? I miss having Tre songs on albums I have no idea. Unless it was another Dominated Love Slave esque track, I don't think it would have had any place on a serious album. I always wonder what songs we've missed because nobody bothered to download any messages but Billie's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I have no idea. Unless it was another Dominated Love Slave esque track, I don't think it would have had any place on a serious album. I always wonder what songs we've missed because nobody bothered to download any messages but Billie's. Yeah, There were Mike and Tre messages too. They announced news and stuff too, all kinds of details we're missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaïs. Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Would you say Favorite Son is about George Bush? I've been wondering that It definitely is, but I always thought the "sex machine" and "panty raid" lines fit Clinton better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I Fought The Law was recorded specifically for a promotional Pepsi thing during the Superbowl in 2003 or 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa. Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 This is ri-donk-ulous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Yeah, There were Mike and Tre messages too. They announced news and stuff too, all kinds of details we're missing I don't even think we have all of Billie's. I'd have to check on Wayback Machine to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I just want a full recording that isn't live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammie Stein Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Other songs that could have been from the Sessions: Minnesota Girl, What About Today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green day is Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Other songs that could have been from the Sessions: Minnesota Girl, What About Today. How timely of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I always wonder what songs we've missed because nobody bothered to download any messages but Billie's. I like to think if Mike or Tre played new Green Day songs someone would've downloaded/kept them. Even if they don't care about them enough to keep their voice messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Yeah I don't remember any songs from those guys back then. That was right around the time I was just getting in to them, so I'm sure I wasn't thinking "oh I have to make sure to save these", but I don't remember any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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