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Hermione

I don't think it's a given that changing up the setlist a lot would equal a better show. The way they've put it together and gradually evolved it over the years means they've kind of perfected it, they have the rhythm/atmosphere of the different songs down and play a specific selection/order so that the vibe goes from energetic to quieter etc correctly. With all the effects, different stuff they do during each song and crowd interaction etc it's very complex and a lot of hard work and playing different setlists each night would mean they'd have to sacrifice a lot of that and play a different type of show. The way they currently do it (and have always done it) they knock it out the park every night. Knowing they have that setlist 100% down might benefit them massively in other aspects of putting on the show.

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pacejunkie punk
12 minutes ago, Alf said:

Change the setlist is a very cool thing. I was in São paulo, 2017, and when they started playing different songs than the structure they've been playing the whole tour that night, that was an amazing feeling not knowing what will come next. It was that good that people didn't even miss 'She', and that is one of their greatest hits in Brazil.

They don't need to change the 30 songs every night, but 4 or 5 per show would make every night even more special

Thus reinforcing my belief that South American fans are lucky as fuck 😄

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Little Boy Named Airplane
13 minutes ago, Alf said:

They don't need to change the 30 songs every night, but 4 or 5 per show would make every night even more special

 

I totally agree.
The main aspect of the show can remain the same. They can start with the same songs and having the same ''Encore''. But in the middle of the show it would be fun to have different setlist. Like you said, 4-5 songs. 

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Alf
7 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

Thus reinforcing my belief that South American fans are lucky as fuck 😄

People from Rio de Janeiro would not agree hahahhaa

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Beerjeezus
4 minutes ago, Goofygoldfish said:

It doesn't matter to be what background music is played whilst I stare at Billie 😍

Oops wrong thread 🙄

During KFAD I'm like "you're so adorable but please stop" :lol:

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kaylubd

I really like the whole KFAD performance, but I have to admit when I saw it for a second time live I was like "okay boys...we can wrap this up and move on." It's fun for sure, but it can get stale.

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Nightlife

Everyone knows they put on a great show and personally I don't want them to quit with the hey-ohs and speeches completely, just want more surprises like different songs (!!!!!!!) and a bit less time spent with the BS because over the years it has started to take up way too much time. But mostly it's all just too damn predictable at this point and it takes away from the magic. If they ever get rid of the shit show that is KFAD live I'll cry because I absolutely love it every time. 

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Green Day In Seattle

I don't like KFAD as a song. I hate the trumpets in it.

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AimieeSmith

It would be "cool", if Tre would play this live on the next tour. 

 

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TheNimrodsPodcast
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Yeah I don't know if I'd want to completely lose all the hey oh, banter, and extended songs--that's definitely part of the fun even when it borders on ridiculous--but if trimming some of that meant a few more deep cuts I'd be stoked.

I'm sure they try hard to balance the show for folks who have seen them a bunch and folks who are seeing them for the first time. So as much as the KFAD schtick might be getting a little old because I've seen it plenty of times, there's always gonna be people in the audience who are seeing it for the first time and getting a big kick out of it. 

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The Bellie
On 5/20/2019 at 7:41 AM, MiksuSH said:

1) Stray Heart is the worst song in Dos. I've always hated it how boring that song is and live perfomances were never good.

2) Drama Queen is still the worst song Green Day has ever made. It's not even the lyrics only; drums don't offer anything, guitar solo is generic, song is too slow and god I hate Billie's singing in that song.

3) I cringe everytime I hear ''My name is Billie and I'm freaking out'' line.

6) I hate every The Longshot song.

I disagree with these. Stray Heart is practically my fave from Dos. It is one of the songs I prefer to hear album version though. About the 1st line in Forever Now, it's an indirect but clear avowal of alcoholism, he uses a well-known phrase (but wouldn't it be more cringy to say 'My name is Billie and I'm alcoholic'?) and he just starts out with the feeling of being lost, scared, insecure, not knowing what to do, in short everything that's resumed in 'freaking out', admitting it's related to his addiction. I don't see what's so cringy about it... It's very raw and simple, and I like it. And yeah, hearing him say and sing his name is cool :P and the way the song evolves is genius!

About Drama Queen, I think Billie's singing voice is amazing. His lyrics are daring, but great I think. Billie is really gifted with slow songs. 

On 5/20/2019 at 7:41 AM, MiksuSH said:

7) Stay the Night, Nuclear Family and Fell for You should've been only singles from Uno. 

8 ) Restless Heart Syndrome is definitely my favorite from 21st Century Breakdown. Great album with great songs, but I've always liked RHS the most.

I agree. Although I've kept loving more and more Oh Love, it wasn't immediate. While I fell in love with the three you mention right away.

About the eternal subject of the setlist, I think it's not a matter of laziness, and that they work a lot to do the shows the way they do. I really love it, the hey-hos (which demand quite some breath to Billie, and audience participation is awesome! I remember when people sang the hey-hos on their own during Stay The Night when it was played with The Longshot... it was beautiful!), the rants, everything. They do it the way they want to and their energy and stage presence, especially Billie's, is amazing. Also, I think it's good that they only stick to some constant songs because it's their choice, and not because all the others are bad, which is totally not the case.

Unpopular opinion: I often read that RevRad was a 'safe' record for them... I don't know what that's supposed to mean, like, what wouldn't be safe, as long as it's new? each song on RevRad is unique. I really don't see something that resembles Somewhere and Forever Now, Bang Bang or Still Breathing for instance in their previous albums. They're just making new stuff and giving each album its own identity.

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Hermione
4 hours ago, The Bellie said:

 

Unpopular opinion: I often read that RevRad was a 'safe' record for them... I don't know what that's supposed to mean, like, what wouldn't be safe, as long as it's new? each song on RevRad is unique. I really don't see something that resembles Somewhere and Forever Now, Bang Bang or Still Breathing for instance in their previous albums. They're just making new stuff and giving each album its own identity.

Perhaps it's just that there isn't anything that crazy going on with the music, it's fairly straightforward and doesn't stray too far from a "traditional" Green Day sound. However I wouldn't describe the album as safe overall, I think the lyrics are more honest and personal than ever and it's a brave album in that respect.

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Nightlife
4 hours ago, The Bellie said:

Unpopular opinion: I often read that RevRad was a 'safe' record for them... I don't know what that's supposed to mean, like, what wouldn't be safe, as long as it's new? each song on RevRad is unique. I really don't see something that resembles Somewhere and Forever Now, Bang Bang or Still Breathing for instance in their previous albums. They're just making new stuff and giving each album its own identity.

I call it safe because to me it's just a simple classic Green Day sound and we didn't get anything new or different from them. No experimentation at all. Still love the album though, I completely understand why they went that route and think it was the perfect release at the time. 

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WhiteTim

Somewhere Now and Forever Now is no real difference than Jesus of Suburbia or Homecoming just instead of 5 mini songs glued together to make one song it’s 3 mini songs glued together to make one song 

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Christian's Inferno!
On 5/20/2019 at 6:41 AM, MiksuSH said:

I don't usually post but when I do, I always mention something from Trilogy since that's the era I love the most. So, what unpopular opinions I have at the moment?

 

1) Stray Heart is the worst song in Dos. I've always hated it how boring that song is and live perfomances were never good.

2) Drama Queen is still the worst song Green Day has ever made. It's not even the lyrics only; drums don't offer anything, guitar solo is generic, song is too slow and god I hate Billie's singing in that song.

3) I cringe everytime I hear ''My name is Billie and I'm freaking out'' line. I understand word ''cringe'' is used a lot nowadays, but holy god it's so bad it might even be the worst lyric Billie has ever made. Yes, even more bad than any of Drama Queen or in Trilogy overall.

4) Who Wrote Holden Caulfield should be played every show.

5) Even though I love Wild One, it should have been faster. 1.25 speed sounds fantastic. Actually when I think about it, a lot of songs from Trilogy should've been faster, such as Stop When the Red Lights Flash, Wow! That's Loud and Stay the Night. They all sound good with 1.10 speed.

6) I hate every The Longshot song.

7) Stay the Night, Nuclear Family and Fell for You should've been only singles from Uno. I still don't get it why Oh Love was the one they thought it would be best lead single from that album and Let Yourself Go didn't work as single at all and Kill the DJ has the worst music video I've ever seen.

8 ) Restless Heart Syndrome is definitely my favorite from 21st Century Breakdown. Great album with great songs, but I've always liked RHS the most.

9) She is the best song what uses only D, C and G chords. Still amazing how they made that work.

10) If we're talking about older songs, At the Library is definitely the best song from pre-Dookie era. Wish they would play it more or atleast have professional live recording from it (since only good versions YouTube has to offer are from 2009 and 2012 and they are all filmed with phone).

11) I will be really sad if they won't ever play 21st Century Breakdown again. I fucking love that song and it's fantastic opener, even better than 99 Revolutions (as a opener).

12) This is not unpopular opinion, but I'm still wondering how ''I'm Alright'' would've sounded and if it would possibly been another sad song in Trilogy.

13) I won't be sad if they don't play any stuff from American Idiot ever again. I love the album and I love every song from it, but it would be cool to hear more stuff from 21st Century Breakdown and obviously from Trilogy aswell.

I disagree with your first point the most. That song is fantastic and I don't understand how it could be interpreted as boring. One of the trilogy's best tracks

I'm inclined to agree with your second point. Probably not their worst, I can think of a few others I'd probably choose as the worst over Drama Queen but it's such a boring, uninteresting song. Still though, one of the few filler songs on the trilogy imo.

I definitely agree with 8), 11) and 13) but I'm not sure these are even unpopular tbh.

Why do you hate all The Longshot songs? I don't think The Longshot was that good of a project but I still enjoy it for what it is and I don't see anything here worth hating

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kaylubd

I don't hate The Longshot I just don't find the songs that interesting. The project is very meh to me. The songs are okay and I don't mind listening to them, but I think there are better side projects.

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W_FInkThePlatypusHunter

Lazy Bones is a God Tier Green Day song. IMO It’s the best Track on the Trilogy. Maybe I’m reading into it too much, but I always felt like it’s a modern Basket Case(peep the throw back to Dookie with the “my mind is playing tricks on me” lyric). 

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WhiteTim

 Longshot is the best Billie side project FBHT is the best GD side project (I don’t consider Longshot to be a GD side project) 

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W_FInkThePlatypusHunter

Sweet 16 and Carpe Diem are worse songs than Nightlife ft. Lady Cobra. I think the effect on Billies vocals is semi-annoying and off putting but other than it’s an ok song. The lyrics are just as “cringey” as the rest of Trilogy so it doesn’t really stand out as much to me as it does to other people. 

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SnaggletoothRecords

I'm gonna go and say it but my #1 unpopular Green Day opinion has sparked several discussions in my personal life and it's that "Green Day is underrated". 

This is always an uproar when I bring this up because people look at their platinum certifications, grammy awards and they feel like they've been able to maintain a high level of mainstream interest atleast between 94 to 2009 anyways. 

I always carry on to explain that I'm referring mostly to albums like Kerplunk!, Insomniac and Warning and I do think that the band has a lot of great songs that seem to be overlooked. Not to mention that for a band that has such a wide variety of songs I often see people attempting to pigeonhole them into specific categories based on their experience or memory of the band. 

I remember getting into an argument with an old friend that had a ticket to the show. She said she wasn't at all excited about going to the show and I told her you're going to be pleasantly surprised but she insisted it was "just Green Day. I like some songs but it's not a big deal" Needless to say her tune changed quite quickly and ended up being a huge supporter of the band and went on to buy some albums etc.  

 

 

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Beerjeezus

They're regarded as popular but they're not seen as an artistically valuable band. I mean, Idiot was critically well acclaimed, but mainly they seem to be looked down on as a comercially successful band that does simple pop music for teenagers.

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Christian's Inferno!

I can kinda get it when you look at all of their recent singles

AI's singles were great and most people really liked them, both in the fandom and the mainstream. But you don't really appreciate them enough until you understand them in context with the album.

21CB's most popular singles, 21 Guns and KYE are arguably the weakest of the album imo and what most people heard of this album. The rest of the album is amazing and those who never listened to the rest of it missed out on a lot of great music.

The trilogy was a mixed bag, including the lead single Oh Love which was the only track that did anything in terms of charting and airplay. I love Oh Love but it's not anything great in terms of lyrics or musical ambition which is what Green Day has been known for. Kill the DJ was also received even harsher than Oh Love by a lot of casual listeners and The Forgotten being in Twilight was an instant turnoff for many

RevRad's singles weren't heard by many in the mainstream. Some casual listeners I heard didn't like Still Breathing

Looking at the deep cuts for GD, there's so much more to get from GD outside of the singles. Not that the singles aren't great

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