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Not sure whether it comes under hyprocisy or selling out but I am using this thread to state that I am not comfortable with Green Day doing two gigs in Russia after showing their support for Pussy Riot.

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Not sure whether it comes under hyprocisy or selling out but I am using this thread to state that I am not comfortable with Green Day doing two gigs in Russia after showing their support for Pussy Riot.

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yes. have a look at the ticket sale for austria, vienna. the prizes are ridiculous... i think its over 80 euros for the front of stage area. singing songs critisizing the form of capitlismn we have, this one of the most capitalist moves you can

make as a band. people with money -> better concert experience. fuck that.

btw, i could afford it if i wanted. but that is something i just don't want to support. excluding some of your biggest and faithful fans from seeing you close. i really hope the tickets sale will be a disaster. does them right.

p.s.: no one here is critisizing the major label deal. to me it was tolerable what they did up to the 21stcbd promotion.... it got a bit to much here. but still: prizes for shows were really cheap and they made the impression they still know where they come from and respect their fans (i know they lost money during the tour... ok then fuck the shitty pyro and all those effects nobody needs and raise prizes reasonable, but not by 100%). during the trilogy they made the impression of old cliché rockstars... something they were always against. but i give them a chance... maybe they reconsider what they are doing at the moment.

p.p.s.: im tired of you 12 year olds (or 12 years

in your mind) thinking somebody critisizing some moves of green day is critiszing they make money with their music. nobody is! educate yourselfs and shut the fuck up.

Thank you! We're not Gilman Nazis! Nobody on this thread is suggesting a major label record deal was selling out: after all, it's the while reason most of us heard of Green Day in the first place.

But hoping for a ticket sale disaster is a tad bit harsh...

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I honestly think that the term "sold out" was made up by butt hurt fans who can't accept change.

But really, not at all. I'd argue that they're one of the realist bands out there as far as music and morals go. There's a huge difference between experimenting with your music and purposely changing your music to fit the needs of the general public, Green Day does the first of these two.

yes. have a look at the ticket sale for austria, vienna. the prizes are ridiculous... i think its over 80 euros for the front of stage area. singing songs critisizing the form of capitlismn we have, this one of the most capitalist moves you can make as a band. people with money -> better concert experience. fuck that.

btw, i could afford it if i wanted. but that is something i just don't want to support. excluding some of your biggest and faithful fans from seeing you close. i really hope the tickets sale will be a disaster. does them right.

p.s.: no one here is critisizing the major label deal. to me it was tolerable what they did up to the 21stcbd promotion.... it got a bit to much here. but still: prizes for shows were really cheap and they made the impression they still know where they come from and respect their fans (i know they lost money during the tour... ok then fuck the shitty pyro and all those effects nobody needs and raise prizes reasonable, but not by 100%). during the trilogy they made the impression of old cliché rockstars... something they were always against. but i give them a chance... maybe they reconsider what they are doing at the moment.

p.p.s.: im tired of you 12 year olds (or 12 years in your mind) thinking somebody critisizing some moves of green day is critiszing they make money with their music. nobody is! educate yourselfs and shut the fuck up.

Green Day doesn't control ticket prices, I'm sure you've been told this like 899 times, but really, it's not up to them, it's up to the venue at the end of the day. Isn't it only for that one show too? I understand that the tickets are expensive but wishing a "ticket disaster" to happen is a bit immature. I really don't understand why you're so hung up on this one show having expensive front row tickets?
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I'm the first to say kerplunk, dookie, warning or anything from the old days is way better than what they're doing now. I was really disappointed when I heard 'The forgotten' for example, BUT can we really expect them to stay stuck in one point in history? They were about my age when they wrote some of their first stuff so it's normal I'm gonna relate to that much more but it's pretty selfish to judge them for 'growing up'... they're not homeless kids any more, they have families and kids, they changed so of course their music changed with them. They could have stayed on an indie label forever and they probably would still be living in the same place lonview was filmed.

it might sound silly but just when I think they've become just another sold out band a song like X-kid comes out and I take it all back.

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Green Day doesn't control ticket prices, I'm sure you've been told this like 899 times, but really, it's not up to them, it's up to the venue at the end of the day.

why are you posting things that are just as true as 1+5=3?

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yes. have a look at the ticket sale for austria, vienna. the prizes are ridiculous... i think its over 80 euros for the front of stage area. singing songs critisizing the form of capitlismn we have, this one of the most capitalist moves you can make as a band. people with money -> better concert experience. fuck that.

btw, i could afford it if i wanted. but that is something i just don't want to support. excluding some of your biggest and faithful fans from seeing you close. i really hope the tickets sale will be a disaster. does them right.

p.s.: no one here is critisizing the major label deal. to me it was tolerable what they did up to the 21stcbd promotion.... it got a bit to much here. but still: prizes for shows were really cheap and they made the impression they still know where they come from and respect their fans (i know they lost money during the tour... ok then fuck the shitty pyro and all those effects nobody needs and raise prizes reasonable, but not by 100%). during the trilogy they made the impression of old cliché rockstars... something they were always against. but i give them a chance... maybe they reconsider what they are doing at the moment.

p.p.s.: im tired of you 12 year olds (or 12 years in your mind) thinking somebody critisizing some moves of green day is critiszing they make money with their music. nobody is! educate yourselfs and shut the fuck up.

Floor tickets/front row tickets are always more expensive for bands that play in stadiums or arenas, nothing new there. Bands that primarily play in small clubs are a different story (cheaper). But, I find it funny that you're telling people to educate themselves when you obviously don't (or possibly can't) even use spell check. You could possibly make a good argument of your stance on this issue, but the multiple spelling and punctuation errors strip you of your credibility.

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This is an actual quote from my friend the last day while I was saying how our band needs to improve our lyrics...

"Chris Im sorry but youre calling our lyrics cringey and cliche and you love greenday?"

Made me cringe.

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sold out bands release records that will follow the trends of the musical industry and don't take ambitious leaps like a trilogy...

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Sensei comin' in and tellin' truths.

xD I'm getting rep now?! Is this good or bad?

On the Twilight thing, I didn't question WHY they did it really, I mean it was obvious. A trilogy coming out means a lot of things have to go differently. It's possible they DIDN'T have any say on that this time around because of how much money was most likely put into these albums. I have no real clue, so I can't say either way.

On Angry Birds, that was cool. I've been playing that game for about a year or so now, (whenever it hit PC, Idunno which first) and when I found out my favorite band was doing a free project with my favorite game involving throwing birds at pigs that steal and eat their unborn children?? I was pretty pleased B]

....the letter B is sunglasses, makign that smiley cool, ya know?

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xD I'm getting rep now?! Is this good or bad? On the Twilight thing, I didn't question WHY they did it really, I mean it was obvious. A trilogy coming out means a lot of things have to go differently. It's possible they DIDN'T have any say on that this time around because of how much money was most likely put into these albums. I have no real clue, so I can't say either way. On Angry Birds, that was cool. I've been playing that game for about a year or so now, (whenever it hit PC, Idunno which first) and when I found out my favorite band was doing a free project with my favorite game involving throwing birds at pigs that steal and eat their unborn children?? I was pretty pleased B] ....the letter B is sunglasses, makign that smiley cool, ya know?
:) yeah it was cool of them to release an a green day angry birds. I love that game too
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why are you posting things that are just as true as 1+5=3?

Because I suck at math?
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Maroon 5 are sellouts. Coldplay are sellouts. The All-American Rejects are sellouts.... They changed their style so they could become more famous.

Green Day just had a natural change in their style. American Idiot musically is a wonderful evolution, and the eyeliners and clothing and stuff are part of the message that album had. Since then, in 21CB and trilogy, it has just been a continuation of their evolution.

The Voice and the Broadway thing may be discussable, but who fucking cares? They have never done anything to desperately earn more money. They have just done everything they fucking want (The Network, Foxboro Hot Tubs, a trilogy of albums, be part of a John Lennon tribute, etc.)

If that made money, it's just because they are a good band and they create awesome music.

As Eddie Vedder would say: "It's evolution baby!"

Move on people. Enjoy the music. Enjoy one of the most important bands right now. Enjoy Green Day.

Cheers.

How the fuck are Coldplay sellouts? They intend to write catchy pop music, they succeed, they also evolved their sound over the course of their career. There's very little difference in what Coldplay do and what Green Day do when it comes to commercialisation of their music. They both play arenas, charge ridiculous prices for gigs and merch, both appear on every show on TV when promoting new albums. At least Coldplay never purported to be anti-establishment.

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charge ridiculous prices for gigs

Green Day doesn't have expensive tickets for shows compared to most other artists.. just sayin

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Look at Maroon5's newest album... THATS a fucking "sold out" thing. Get a bunch of people to write songs for you to surf on that "Moves like jagger" wave... THAT SUCKS!!

again how can Maroon 5 sell out they always been very open to doing whatever it takes to be succesful they have never once claimed to be underground or anything of the sort



Green Day doesn't have expensive tickets for shows compared to most other artists.. just sayin

is that why the europe shows are going from 100-600 at one show?





Green Day doesn't control ticket prices, I'm sure you've been told this like 899 times, but really, it's not up to them, it's up to the venue at the end of the day. Isn't it only for that one show too? I understand that the tickets are expensive but wishing a "ticket disaster" to happen is a bit immature. I really don't understand why you're so hung up on this one show having expensive front row tickets?

they do in a way promoters charge so they can make back the money they paid for the group if GD didnt charge so much tickets could be lowered

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Green Day doesn't have expensive tickets for shows compared to most other artists.. just sayin

This, they could easily sold their tickets at a higher price and people would still buy them. (well in North America, I don't really know how much a ticket costs for a show in Europe)

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Quoth Bomb the Music Industry:

"Every Fugazi record has a catalog number and a price tag, and every independent label is selling you another goddamn product."

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Floor tickets/front row tickets are always more expensive for bands that play in stadiums or arenas, nothing new there. Bands that primarily play in small clubs are a different story (cheaper). But, I find it funny that you're telling people to educate themselves when you obviously don't (or possibly can't) even use spell check. You could possibly make a good argument of your stance on this issue, but the multiple spelling and punctuation errors strip you of your credibility.

and now you talk french, german or spanish with me... 'murica.

and why the fuck don't you get its not about other bands (which bands do you mean? rolling stones, or u2? it may be common for those shitty rockstars) , it is what green day does. and i go to many bands who play in arenas or big open air shows. never paid extra for the front of stage area. your argment is invalid.

and spelling errors strip me of my credibility? english is your first langage and you don't even know the correct use and meaning of the word credibility.... hilarious.

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and now you talk french, german or spanish with me... 'murica.

and why the fuck don't you get its not about other bands (which bands do you mean? rolling stones, or u2? it may be common for those shitty rockstars) , it is what green day does. and i go to many bands who play in arenas or big open air shows. never paid extra for the front of stage area. your argment is invalid.

and spelling errors strip me of my credibility? english is your first langage and you don't even know the correct use and meaning of the word credibility.... hilarious.

It IS partly about other bands because how do you know what acceptable, average, typical, etc... for an artist, unless you have something to compare it to?

Can you clarify what you mean by the front area at the venue Green Day is playing near you? Is it an outdoor amphitheater of seats near the front or do they leave a standing area near the front? I don't know about shows where you are from, but at almost every arena/amphitheater show I've been to the floor tickets are more expensive than seats further back or above and sell out quickly. Also, I remember looking at a Kiss/Motley Crue amphitheater show near me and you wouldn't even believe what they charged for the front sections.

Now, I also want to apologize for some of my remarks I made before as I have nothing against people in which English is not their primary language. But you've also got to look at things in context as your GDC profile has nothing indicating where you are from. So, in your case, spelling doesn't strip you of your credibility since English is not your first language. But, if someone tried to make an argument with that number of spelling mistakes and English was their first speaking language, their credibility would definitely be in question. So my use of the word credibility would be correct in that case. Once again I had no context to know English wasn't your first language so I thought I was using it correctly when I made that post.

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Why do people still care if they are sellouts or not?It's been fucking 18-19 years since they became famous I guess only hipsters do. IMO they kind of are and you can make all kinds of excuses but rockband, twilight, angry birds, the whole ''emo thing'' and even signing with a major label prove otherwise. They wanted to be rich rockstars and who can blame them? There is no shame to admit that about your favorite artist that's what i see alot in here, people making excuses that green day are no sellouts. LOL what! YES THEY ARE just as every mainstream artist. As long they make good music i will forever love them and continue to keep them rich. :happy:

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It IS partly about other bands because how do you know what acceptable, average, typical, etc... for an artist, unless you have something to compare it to?

Can you clarify what you mean by the front area at the venue Green Day is playing near you? Is it an outdoor amphitheater of seats near the front or do they leave a standing area near the front? I don't know about shows where you are from, but at almost every arena/amphitheater show I've been to the floor tickets are more expensive than seats further back or above and sell out quickly. Also, I remember looking at a Kiss/Motley Crue amphitheater show near me and you wouldn't even believe what they charged for the front sections.

Now, I also want to apologize for some of my remarks I made before as I have nothing against people in which English is not their primary language. But you've also got to look at things in context as your GDC profile has nothing indicating where you are from. So, in your case, spelling doesn't strip you of your credibility since English is not your first language. But, if someone tried to make an argument with that number of spelling mistakes and English was their first speaking language, their credibility would definitely be in question. So my use of the word credibility would be correct in that case. Once again I had no context to know English wasn't your first language so I thought I was using it correctly when I made that post.

i said everything that was to say. just one thing you may missunderstood: by front of stage area i mean the "golden circle". the floor for all the people standing is usally divided by a wavebreaker. and this area closer to the stage costs the double amount as normal tickets in vienna. usually, at shows i am attending, you just pay the normal prize and have to be early to get there. and that is how it was handled by green day before. and when i said i hope tickets will sell bad i meant only tickets for this particular shoow... i don't want them to get away with that. and this procedure of ticket sales will actually affect the atmosphere as well if you don't have your biggest fans in front, but instead the ones that are willing to pay the most. and i don't want to take part in that. maybe its a rare thing in todays society, but some peoples still have principle..... maybe that got uncool.

but i want to emphasize i didn't give up yet and wanna judge to early. if they handle the ticketing in the usual way concerning other upcoming europe shows (as far as i know the most are festivals at the moment, so we can't know that yet) and play their usual set lenght of 30 songs + it would be fine. but the show i attended got 23 (or was it only 21?) songs and it was a regular green day show, not a festival or so... so we will see...

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How the fuck are Coldplay sellouts? They intend to write catchy pop music, they succeed, they also evolved their sound over the course of their career. There's very little difference in what Coldplay do and what Green Day do when it comes to commercialisation of their music. They both play arenas, charge ridiculous prices for gigs and merch, both appear on every show on TV when promoting new albums. At least Coldplay never purported to be anti-establishment.

Well, for me after A Rush Of Blood To The Head, the music started sounding a little unnatural, but actually the X&Y singles were pretty solid.

It's the 2 last albums the ones I doubt about, mainly the last one. To me, to have a song with Rihanna shows some sort of desperation to be noticed, that's all. And don't compare that to Green Day's Nightlife because nobody knows who Lady Cobra is hahaha

But I don't know, maybe it's just me but I kinda see a need to be famous in Coldplay (mainly Chris Martin), and they will do whatever it takes to make it happen. But that's my opinion.

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Chris Martin is easily one of the best showmen in the world, one of the few who musters up the kind of charisma and pure enjoyment of being onstage that Billie-Joe does. He may not be cool, he may not be edgy, but he runs on pure enthusiasm. Coldplay were as big as Rihanna before they collaborated with her, they didn't need to do that to be "noticed". Their last two albums have been the best of their career thanks to Brian Eno's production and the band's increasingly impressive songwriting. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by a "need to be famous" because I don't see him doing anything unhealthy to promote himself. He doesn't have twitter or anything. As far as I know he hasn't signed any exclusive deals with Instagram.

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