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Okay so what happened to John Kiffmeyer? Green Day's original drummer?? Wikipedia says he is in san francisco with his wife and kids coaching baseball.Does he talk to the band? How did he just dissappear suddenly??

And what about sean hughes? Was he even associated with the band.IDK wikipedia says he was the basscist from 1987-88, during the time  mike played a RYTHM GUITAR.Idk I really want to know what's up with these former member, especially John Kiffmeyer/Al Sobrante.

 



I have never even seen a proper picture of them :/


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John didn't really "Disappear". He left the band to go to college. Billie and Mike eventually replaced him with Tre. And, from what I've seen/heard, it doesn't seem that he has talked to the band in a long, long time.

 

 

Sean Hughes did play with the original incarnation of Sweet Children, when they were still practicing at Billie's house. One day, he had to leave practice to go to a dentist appointment or something, and while he was gone, Billie had Mike try his hand at the bass, so they could still jam without him. The rest, as they say, is history. And, no, he has never been considered a formal member of the band, since his time ended before they even played their first real gig.


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 no, he has never been considered a formal member of the band, since his time ended before they even played their first real gig.

I think so too.That guy who makes the green day wikipedia page is crazy.He added Jason White amoung the official members.He has'nt even entered the number of records sold by green day carefully.On calculating it comes out to be above 80 million



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I wonder what it must feel like for these guys, especially John, to see the band having so much success. Does he think about what could have been had he stayed with them? I wonder if they would have achieved as much as they have had he stayed.
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and it was heard he was never seen AGAIN! oooooo!


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I wonder what it must feel like for these guys, especially John, to see the band having so much success. Does he think about what could have been had he stayed with them? I wonder if they would have achieved as much as they have had he stayed.

I remember hearing an interview with someone, i think it was the guy from Poison Ivy, who said that John told them (Billie and Mike) that they were better than him at playing music and were taking it more seriously than he wanted to, so in a way he didn't want to hold them back.


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I think so too.That guy who makes the green day wikipedia page is crazy.He added Jason White amoung the official members.He has'nt even entered the number of records sold by green day carefully.On calculating it comes out to be above 80 million

That awkward moment when Jason is actually an official member of the band (as of Uno).


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There was also a guy called Raj Punjabi I believe...


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John didn't really "Disappear". He left the band to go to college. Billie and Mike eventually replaced him with Tre. And, from what I've seen/heard, it doesn't seem that he has talked to the band in a long, long time.

 

 

Sean Hughes did play with the original incarnation of Sweet Children, when they were still practicing at Billie's house. One day, he had to leave practice to go to a dentist appointment or something, and while he was gone, Billie had Mike try his hand at the bass, so they could still jam without him. The rest, as they say, is history. And, no, he has never been considered a formal member of the band, since his time ended before they even played their first real gig.

Who was the drummer at that time? John?
Green Day Authority says that Sean was originally the drummer, not bassist. Is it a mistake?



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Who was the drummer at that time? Jonh?
Green Day Authority says that Sean was originally the drummer, not bassist. Is it a mistake?

Probably, at that time drummer was Jason Andrew Relva, and according to Larry Livermore there was a drummer between John and Tre, but he was in a band only for 2 weeks


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I remember hearing an interview with someone, i think it was the guy from Poison Ivy, who said that John told them (Billie and Mike) that they were better than him at playing music and were taking it more seriously than he wanted to, so in a way he didn't want to hold them back.

In "Nobody Likes You" it says that John left for college and expected them to wait for him and play with him on breaks, Billie and Mike didn't want to wait for him so they got Tré to play for them, when Green Day was playing a show (don't remember where, though) and John came and said that he was gonna play, that was the last show they played with him.
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Theres an interview with Billie Joe done by Larry Livermore (it's on his site) where Billie mentions that John never actually told them he was leaving the band. So when they picked Tre to replace him they returned the favor and never told him.

From what I understand, John wouldn't have liked to see Green Day on the path they took, so I really doubt he's bitter at their success.

I do wonder if he's continued to make money off the first album.
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This documentary has some great factoids, and a must-see for every fan. But in this particular clip, from around 3:50, you can see Sean telling about the early days. 


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Theres an interview with Billie Joe done by Larry Livermore (it's on his site) where Billie mentions that John never actually told them he was leaving the band. So when they picked Tre to replace him they returned the favor and never told him.

From what I understand, John wouldn't have liked to see Green Day on the path they took, so I really doubt he's bitter at their success.

I do wonder if he's continued to make money off the first album.

Apparently he gets royalty checks but doesn't cash them.

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I know that Sean is a big friend of Mike and Billie and their families too :happy:  They're still hanging out together nowadays, and Sean's sister is Jennifer....That Jennifer....the girl Billie fell in love with in the early days :)



ugtOo.jpg This is a recent pic of John ( I covered the kid, you can easly find a lot of photos if you googled it)

 

and about Sean's pic, he has a Facebook account so is easy find pics of him too  :happy:


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Theres an interview with Billie Joe done by Larry Livermore (it's on his site) where Billie mentions that John never actually told them he was leaving the band. So when they picked Tre to replace him they returned the favor and never told him.

From what I understand, John wouldn't have liked to see Green Day on the path they took, so I really doubt he's bitter at their success.

I do wonder if he's continued to make money off the first album.

I also know that there was a showdown between Tre and John at one show since they both showed up to play the show.
 
Apparently he gets royalty checks but doesn't cash them.

I've heard this too. Not sure where from though. I don't understand why he wouldn't though.

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I also know that there was a showdown between Tre and John at one show since they both showed up to play the show.
 
I've heard this too. Not sure where from though. I don't understand why he wouldn't though.

I'm thinking it might have come from an issue of Cometbus ... I can't think where else it would have come from. And I guess a matter of pride or something ...


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I also know that there was a showdown between Tre and John at one show since they both showed up to play the show.

That's what I mentioned, Al played that show and that was their last with him.

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I also know that there was a showdown between Tre and John at one show since they both showed up to play the show.
 
I've heard this too. Not sure where from though. I don't understand why he wouldn't though.

 

I vaguely recall that was a show in Petaluma, and that Tre had been in the band at that point while John was in college, and John came back for break or something, and just took the gig away from Tre, and Billie and Mike kind of let it happen, and Billie felt really bad about doing that because Tre was really their drummer at that point.



DRAMZ!

 

I think we all heard this from the interview with Larry.  Not sure though :lol:



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That awkward moment when Jason is actually an official member of the band (as of Uno).

No He's not.Check Green Day's facebook page or greenday.com, there is no mention of him being an official member.He did not even appear in the recent green day videos(just a "cameo" in oh love).Also, there aint no instagram account of him.Just that a magazine quoted billie saying jasoon is an official member and that guy took it seriousy



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No He's not.Check Green Day's facebook page or greenday.com, there is no mention of him being an official member.He did not even appear in the recent green day videos(just a "cameo" in oh love).Also, there aint no instagram account of him.Just that a magazine quoted billie saying jasoon is an official member and that guy took it seriousy

 

 

he is an official member... there's SEVERAL magazines of Billie saying this...

 

plus he was added to GD's contract labels do NOT add just anyone to contracts

 

 

he does have an instagram account jason_cuatroxx

 

you should get your facts straight before saying stuff wrong


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I wonder if John knows there's a community of people wondering about him and his existence  :mellow:


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I think so too.That guy who makes the green day wikipedia page is crazy.He added Jason White amoung the official members.He has'nt even entered the number of records sold by green day carefully.On calculating it comes out to be above 80 million

 

Jason White *is* an official member. Or junior member, however you want to see it, lol. But he is a part of the band now. :)

 

But Wikipedia is contributed to by people all over the globe, not just one dude. And, yeah, generally-speaking, not always the most accurate info source.

 

I wonder what it must feel like for these guys, especially John, to see the band having so much success. Does he think about what could have been had he stayed with them? I wonder if they would have achieved as much as they have had he stayed.

 

I remember someone asking Billie this once. He said he didn't think Green Day would've made i as big as they did without Tre. John, supposedly, didn't care about being famous and didn't want to be. Punx 4 Lyf and all that. So I'm not sure how he feels.



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Apparently he gets royalty checks but doesn't cash them.

I guess I'll do the noble thing and ask him to send them over to me so he doesn't have to worry about selling out.


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I'm thinking it might have come from an issue of Cometbus ... I can't think where else it would have come from. And I guess a matter of pride or something ...

 Yes. Cometbus #54 is where Aaron mentions Al/John not cashing his royalty checks. 

 

I vaguely recall that was a show in Petaluma, and that Tre had been in the band at that point while John was in college, and John came back for break or something, and just took the gig away from Tre, and Billie and Mike kind of let it happen, and Billie felt really bad about doing that because Tre was really their drummer at that point.



DRAMZ!

 

I think we all heard this from the interview with Larry.  Not sure though :lol:

 

Yeah, Billie mentioned all that in Larry's interview. Don't know if he said it anywhere else as well. And considering that interview was in 2001/2002, you could tell there were still a lot of unresolved tensions there. DRAMZ indeed lol



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Even if he did cash those checks, I can't picture him getting rich off of 1039.  When it comes to big record companies, if you sell 1 million albums and it grosses $15 million dollars, the artist might get like .25 cents for every album sold.  I have no idea what Green Day's deal is, but there's no way John has gotten more than like $100K out of Green Day.  Which is no small piece of dough, mind you, but it's not exactly going to set him up for life, especially living in pricey (Northern) California.  

 

It's kinda fucked up actually how little artists make off of selling their own albums.  I remember some Green Day documentary (one of those Pogo Paradise ones) where someone said to them "You're gonna need to sell ten times as many albums with Warner to make half as much as you're making on Lookout the way major labels are so fucked up. If you're gonna sell a million albums, stay on an indie, you'll make a lot more money... if you're gonna sell 10 million albums, go to Warner."  Green Day was lucky in that they *have* twice sold 10 million copies of one album, but it takes a looooot for them to get filthy rich off of sales.  Touring is probably only slightly better.  The real dough, unfortunately, would probably come from REAL "selling out" (i.e. butter commercials), which they really haven't done.  They've let Green Day be marketed in various, mainstream ways, but they haven't exactly sold their bodies.  I wonder if they got a nice check for that John Varvatos fashion commercial :lol:  I think they deserve more of the money they're generating from their music, but I obviously don't feel sorry for them.  It's just that movie stars get paid soooo much and I think musicians work much harder and do more good for society.

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he is an official member... there's SEVERAL magazines of Billie saying this...

 

plus he was added to GD's contract labels do NOT add just anyone to contracts

 

 

he does have an instagram account jason_cuatroxx

 

you should get your facts straight before saying stuff wrong

 

I love Jason in the band, but it's debatable. Yes all your points are valid, but tell me why isn't he in most of the official GD promotional photos? Like on Ticketmaster or the photo used for the news about the tour announcement on Loudwire. He's an official member when they want him to be and an hired extra personnel member when they want him to be. Jason deserves to be an official member.


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I love Jason in the band, but it's debatable. Yes all your points are valid, but tell me why isn't he in most of the official GD promotional photos? Like on Ticketmaster or the photo used for the news about the tour announcement on Loudwire. He's an official member when they want him to be and an hired extra personnel member when they want him to be. Jason deserves to be an official member.

 

Maybe he doesn't like the publicity? he has the same instagram account as billie mike and tre but only used it 3 times

 

he's in the videos he is listed with the group on the albums (if he wasnt official he'd been listed as "additional musician" section) even Billie has said it multiple times but I guess the founder of the band has no say so....



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Here's a whole topic debating whether or not Jason is actually a fourth member

http://www.greendayc...een-day-member/


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Even if he did cash those checks, I can't picture him getting rich off of 1039.  When it comes to big record companies, if you sell 1 million albums and it grosses $15 million dollars, the artist might get like .25 cents for every album sold.  I have no idea what Green Day's deal is, but there's no way John has gotten more than like $100K out of Green Day.  Which is no small piece of dough, mind you, but it's not exactly going to set him up for life, especially living in pricey (Northern) California.  

 

It's kinda fucked up actually how little artists make off of selling their own albums.  I remember some Green Day documentary (one of those Pogo Paradise ones) where someone said to them "You're gonna need to sell ten times as many albums with Warner to make half as much as you're making on Lookout the way major labels are so fucked up. If you're gonna sell a million albums, stay on an indie, you'll make a lot more money... if you're gonna sell 10 million albums, go to Warner."  Green Day was lucky in that they *have* twice sold 10 million copies of one album, but it takes a looooot for them to get filthy rich off of sales.  Touring is probably only slightly better.  The real dough, unfortunately, would probably come from REAL "selling out" (i.e. butter commercials), which they really haven't done.  They've let Green Day be marketed in various, mainstream ways, but they haven't exactly sold their bodies.  I wonder if they got a nice check for that John Varvatos fashion commercial :lol:  I think they deserve more of the money they're generating from their music, but I obviously don't feel sorry for them.  It's just that movie stars get paid soooo much and I think musicians work much harder and do more good for society.

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Yeah. The average going rate for most major label contracts is 11-15% for new artists. This number can then be negotiated up over time if the artist proves successful. I would like to imagine Green Day's has been, but I've no idea how much. Conversely, some indie labels have royalty rates of up to 40%. Billie, even, had said at the time that they would've made more money on Lookout (though I'm assuming he's talking percentages because there's no way Dookie could've moved those numbers on an indie.) But, considering what happened to Lookout in the long run, things probably wouldn't have stayed that way. They get further royalties, of course, from all the movies, TV shows, commercials, and so on that their songs have been used in. Plus touring and merch money (and I think we can all agree that Green Day moves a LOT o merch these days ;) ).  But anyway.....according to Aaron Cometbus, Lookout ripped Green Day off for over $1 million dollars during the whole royalty-fiasco. So, under different circumstances, John could've made decent bank. But, on top of the checks he refused to cash, there were also a lot that he hasn't ever seen. And who knows what the deal is now that those albums are on Reprise.




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