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-Now for a crazy idea. No reason to think this at all, it just popped into my head. Say someone did take them, but someone they knew. Could have been one of them, a friend.. but they kept quiet about it. In their mind, whoever took it, may have wanted to do them a favor. Kind of like "Hey. This isn't the best you can do." Since this happened, they took a step back and realized it wasn't what they wanted to do and came out with the epic album they wanted to make. Perhaps the person who took them later admitted it, but in the end they saw it as a blessing in disguise.


IT WAS ROB CAVALLO!! :P

Ahh I see. Now I'm thinking I can remember an interview/article from the early 2000s where the interviewer described being on a tour bus getting drunk with Billie and he was showing him pictures of his family and kneeing down singing a love song he'd recently written for Adrienne. I think I just assumed it was Minnesota Girl rather than it actually saying it in the article though so it probably wasn't about that. I wish I could remember where both these things came from http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...


The article you're talking about (where Billie's drunk and gets down on one knee to sing a love song) is from the November 2005 Rolling Stone. It was my very first magazine with Green Day (well, just Billie) on the cover, so I remember it perfectly! :wub:
I assumed it was Minnesota Girl too, but just because I heard that song not too long after.
But MG could totally be an older song for all we know :confused:

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IT WAS ROB CAVALLO!! http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...



The article you're talking about (where Billie's drunk and gets down on one knee to sing a love song) is from the November 2005 Rolling Stone. It was my very first magazine with Green Day (well, just Billie) on the cover, so I remember it perfectly! http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...
I assumed it was Minnesota Girl too, but just because I heard that song not too long after.
But MG could totally be an older song for all we know http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...

Thank you! I'm gonna go and find and re-read that.

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Thank you! I'm gonna go and find and re-read that.


You're welcome!

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IT WAS ROB CAVALLO!! http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...



The article you're talking about (where Billie's drunk and gets down on one knee to sing a love song) is from the November 2005 Rolling Stone. It was my very first magazine with Green Day (well, just Billie) on the cover, so I remember it perfectly! http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...
I assumed it was Minnesota Girl too, but just because I heard that song not too long after.
But MG could totally be an older song for all we know http://www.greendaycommunity.org/public/...


I like how on the page where they're supposed to be quoting Milton Keynes (AKA BIAB), they only got like 1/4th of the actual quote :lol:

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I would definitley like to hear it..

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I said before how I believe that the C&V songs are the B-sides from American Idiot and 21CBD, since they all sound similar and have different recording and production credits than the albums do. Either that or demos of C&V songs that were given a professional mix. If you own the CD singles with the B-sides, read the credits and you'll know what I'm talking about.

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That one phone recording around C&V time sounds alot like Christians Inferno. So I can see how you got that idea. ^-^

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I definitely think it existed, but I'm sure it was stolen. It's probably out there somewhere. I highly believe that the song will be on the next album, because for one thing they played it live during the last tour. It's going to sound great as a studio version! And it's actuallly a good thing that the album was stolen because American Idiot was made and Green Day were forced to dig deeper than they've ever dug before.

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At 2:09 they talk about the tapes, either stolen, in storage or in the San Francisco Bay.




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I think they recorded C&V on reels or analog format cause i remember Mike saying they had back up s on DATS tapes and studios dont usual make DATS back ups on pro tools/digitally recorded material....

So whoever stoled it may not have access to convert the reels or adats format...

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If it was stolen I think Billie took them because he wanted to start over
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Ok. Dont hate me for this, but when green day is dead or broken up, then we get C&V and billies solo album and stuff. And right now, we pretty much have all of C&V.
Cigarettes and valentines
What about today
Things i heard today
Why does it always rain on me
Too much too soon
Shoplifter
Governator
Minnesota girl
Olivia
Lights out
Hearts collide

Those all have that "sound" that they belong together, right? All we're missing are recordings of Drop Out and Walk Away and we have a whole album! Yeah. Just wait till green day is dead and the lost album will rise!!


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Too Much Too Soon and Shoplifter are both American Idiot b-sides, not intended for C&V... Lights Out and Hearts Collide (and probably Olivia) are 21CB b-sides, also not intended for C&V. The others could very well be from that project though.

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And right now, we pretty much have all of C&V.
Cigarettes and valentines
What about today
Things i heard today
Why does it always rain on me
Too much too soon
Shoplifter
Governator
Minnesota girl
Olivia
Lights out
Hearts collide


Sounds about right, except for Shoplifter. If you listen to part 2 of Homecoming; East 12th St, it's pretty clear that Jesus of Suburbia has been arrested for something and is at a cop shop, although it doesn't specify what.

"Jesus filling out paperwork now
At the facility on east 12th st.
He's not listening to a word now"

So, Shoplifter would be a pretty reasonable track for explaining what happened, which makes me think that Shoplifter was definitely made for American Idiot, not C&V.

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Too Much Too Soon and Shoplifter are both American Idiot b-sides, not intended for C&V... Lights Out and Hearts Collide (and probably Olivia) are 21CB b-sides, also not intended for C&V. The others could very well be from that project though.


I think I read somewhere that Too Much Too Soon was originally for C&V... but I'm not sure where that came from or if it's true at all.


How do we know the other titles, like Walk Away and Drop Out? I wasn't around before American Idiot, so I'm still a little confused about the songs people somehow know about for C&V and how much anyone knew about their recording before it was announced that the album was stolen...

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^Yeah Billie said Too Much Too Soon was on it.

Ok. Dont hate me for this, but when green day is dead or broken up, then we get C&V and billies solo album and stuff. And right now, we pretty much have all of C&V.
Cigarettes and valentines
What about today
Things i heard today
Why does it always rain on me
Too much too soon
Shoplifter
Governator
Minnesota girl
Olivia
Lights out
Hearts collide

Those all have that "sound" that they belong together, right? All we're missing are recordings of Drop Out and Walk Away and we have a whole album! Yeah. Just wait till green day is dead and the lost album will rise!!

The only songs there that we know were on C&V are Cigarettes And Valentines and Too Much Too Soon. What About Today sounds more like a Network demo, Why Does It Always Rain On Me is a cover (it's a Travis song), Shoplifter and Governator are AI b-sides, Lights Out, Hearts Collide and Olivia are 21st CB b-sides, and we don't know about Minnesota Girl or Things I Heard Today.

Any of them could have been intended for C&V just like any song they've written that we don't know the exact origin of could have been. But there's no point in assuming or speculating that they were when we have no way of finding out if we're right or not. The only way to know is if Green Day says so.

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I didn't know Olivia was a 21CB b-side, wasn't the first time they played it in Denver?

I think I'm also the only one who still thinks the song Cigarettes and Valentines might not even be the original. :lol: Not that either of those things really matter but yeah.

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I didn't know Olivia was a 21CB b-side, wasn't the first time they played it in Denver?

Oh yeah sorry, I just mean it was first heard of/played during 21st CB times. Like the rest it could've been written for C&V but we don't have any evidence that it was so there's not much reason to consider it.

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i say they re-mix the tapes and release it before they end their career as a goodbye album. just sayin.

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i say they re-mix the tapes and release it before they end their career as a goodbye album. just sayin.

Or we get it released by reprise when Green Day's dead. just saying. so another thirty years or so.

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Or we get it released by reprise when Green Day's dead. just saying. so another thirty years or so.


They're dying at seventy?

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These tapes were never stolen. This album was just mediocore. I really hope it does surface sometime though. I remember an interview where they said the backups tapes weren't the same. BS, of course they were exactly the same.
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I guess I kinda figured that even if there were other recordings available to use, losing the masters would just be the sort of thing that would make you think "Wait... do we actually wanna go through with this?" Just the sort of thing to make you stop and think for a second. Like tripping on the pavement it will catch you up...

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Has anyone else noticed Governator is pretty close to Spike? The drum beat and the "I'll be back" is close to "I need a fix"
Also could Favorite Son possibly be originally on C&V?
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Has anyone else noticed Governator is pretty close to Spike? The drum beat and the "I'll be back" is close to "I need a fix"
Also could Favorite Son possibly be originally on C&V?

1) I suppose, I mean I can see the comparison... Completely different songs, though.
2) I don't think so.
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eaux...you guys still care about C&V.
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To be fairly honest, as much as I'd like to hear some old unreleased Green Day material, if Green Day really did refuse to re record it all because it wasn't good enough, I wouldn't go into it having high expectations. When a band says that their own material isn't up to their full potential, then it kills any excitement I would have if I ever had the chance to listen to C&V.

All in all, if it's forever gone, I won't mind. If it is released one day, awesome.

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Do you think c&v the song will ever be played again lol do you think that song was from the album or do you think they wrote it on tour and thought it be fun to use the title

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Interesting that Green Day performed Cigarettes & Valentines at some shows in 2010 (and then released it on Awesome As Fuck), AND that they're evidently releasing Walk Away (which was a song rumored to be on C&V - not sure if it's the same one though) in this new trilogy.

Makes me think that them actually releasing the songs some day isn't so unlikely. Even if they do another rarities collection like Shenanigans, it would be awesome to hear the songs - not just the ones for Cigarettes And Valentines, but also other leftover tracks like the ones that didn't fit the concept of A! or 21CB, the other 30 songs they had for the trilogy, random other songs that didn't end up anywhere.

Even if they're not as good as most of their album songs and aren't "maximum Green Day," I'm sure they're still at least somewhat good. And I'm always happy to hear more music from them :)

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Interesting that Green Day performed Cigarettes & Valentines at some shows in 2010 (and then released it on Awesome As Fuck), AND that they're evidently releasing Walk Away (which was a song rumored to be on C&V - not sure if it's the same one though) in this new trilogy.

Walk away? That title is new to me. Which of the three albums is it meant to be on?



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