WhiteTim Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 another theory is that they had accidentally deleted it from the harddrive in the studio. Then they decided that it was not so good to redo it. For the songs on it, the phone message song that eventually became Spike would be there. I dont think it was recorded on computers tho Mike has said they have back up on DAT tapes if it was on computer they would have no need to do DAT copies ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70 Times 7 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I think the Network stole it and released it as their own or they're slowly releasing the tracks on different albums, and i think we've actually heard a good chunk of the album without realizing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 another theory is that they had accidentally deleted it from the harddrive in the studio. Then they decided that it was not so good to redo it. For the songs on it, the phone message song that eventually became Spike would be there. 1. That song didn't become spike. It has it's own name, What About Today , and it's may sound similar, but its lyrics are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaj Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 the lyrics are not the same obviously but to me it is recycled into Spike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbojones Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 they're slowly releasing the tracks on different albums, and i think we've actually heard a good chunk of the album without realizing it I recon this is the case too. Warner still own the rights I guess so probably the best chance for the songs to be officially released in any way would be for green day either to leave Reprise or split up. A major label would hate to see such a money making act go so would then to release everything they have ever done over the period of the next 40 years (Look at Nirvana, 2pac and Jimi hendrix for examples of this, a "new album" by Jimi hendrix was released this year and hes been dead for 43 years!) I recon around 2034 warner will release a super mega deluxe version of AI including all b sides, c + v, heart like a hand grenade, bullet in a bible, 300 page booklet of photographs, commemorative mug and teaspoon set and it will cost in the region of $3500 (inflation and that)* also around the same time they will release a trilogy boxset including Cuatro! to the general public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Kid-X Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 If the whole style of the album is like the song C&V then no way they just let it go to waste! I think it was indeed stolen. Seriously, 20 songs all done recording and editing and all that.. why would they destroy that and say it was stolen? Why not just saying they didn't like it? Whatever the case is, I would love to hear more songs out of that album in the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Benjamin Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Does anyone have a tracklist, fake or not from the album? I gathered a handful from the internets: 1.Cigarettes and Valentines 2.Walk Away 3.Olivia 4.Too Much, Too Soon 5.Drop Out are there anymore that people have heard rumored to be on the album? It was called Dropout Sleepyhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 If the whole style of the album is like the song C&V then no way they just let it go to waste! I think it was indeed stolen. Seriously, 20 songs all done recording and editing and all that.. why would they destroy that and say it was stolen? Why not just saying they didn't like it? Whatever the case is, I would love to hear more songs out of that album in the future! There's a theory they made the whole album up to cover for American Idiot. They were about to release an album with a brand new sound. If it succeeded, they could say "I'm so glad we lost that Cig and Val album and started over." If it bombed, they could have said "Well we had a great album but it was stolen, so we had to put this together last minute." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Kid-X Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 There's a theory they made the whole album up to cover for American Idiot. They were about to release an album with a brand new sound. If it succeeded, they could say "I'm so glad we lost that Cig and Val album and started over." If it bombed, they could have said "Well we had a great album but it was stolen, so we had to put this together last minute." No way... they said they'd looked at each other after American Idiot was done saying "this is better". They knew it was "above anything else we had ever done". Is that theory suggesting they've written, recorded and edited 20 songs just to destroy them for that cause? That's hella stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It was called Dropout Sleepyhead Dropout and Sleepyhead were two different songs. Sleepyhead was dropped from Warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Dropout and Sleepyhead were two different songs. Sleepyhead was dropped from Warning Came here to say that. I remember seeing "Sleepyhead" and "Waste Away" on a list posted in either the Poprocks & Coke or alternate Warning video way way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGLWW Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Dropout and Sleepyhead were two different songs. Sleepyhead was dropped from Warning I just watched the DJ Rosstar interview again and Mike says it is one song, although he did seem to have a hard time remembering some songs from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I didn't take the time to read the whole thread but I'm sure what I'm going to say it's been said quite a few times. I think the band never "lost" the demos or the masters, they just decided it was not good enough and left it aside. But, since The Network's album, they have been releasing songs from that scrapped album. These are the songs I considered to be part of it (Not in an actual order): - Roshambo - She's a Rebel - Letterbomb - Sally - Murder City - Cigarettes And Valentines (duh) - Stay The Night - Fell For You - Angel Blue - Stray Heart - Sex, Drugs & Violence - Walk Away It's obviously that with both concept albums (American Idiot, 21st CB) the band couldn't allow that many songs 'cause they won't fit in the theme, so my guess it's that there are a big amount of trilogy songs that could be on C&V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American_edot Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I've got a feeling that they kept the lyrics but changed the music to the songs to makes them sound like they fit on the album there on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localinsomniac Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Murder City was the last song written for Breakdown. They were literally about to finalize the track list when Billie came to the studio with that. So I wouldn't list it among C&V possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idiotic Tendency... Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I didn't take the time to read the whole thread but I'm sure what I'm going to say it's been said quite a few times. I think the band never "lost" the demos or the masters, they just decided it was not good enough and left it aside. But, since The Network's album, they have been releasing songs from that scrapped album. These are the songs I considered to be part of it (Not in an actual order): - Roshambo - She's a Rebel - Letterbomb - Sally - Murder City - Cigarettes And Valentines (duh) - Stay The Night - Fell For You - Angel Blue - Stray Heart - Sex, Drugs & Violence - Walk Away It's obviously that with both concept albums (American Idiot, 21st CB) the band couldn't allow that many songs 'cause they won't fit in the theme, so my guess it's that there are a big amount of trilogy songs that could be on C&V. Murder City? Billie wrote that song around feb/march 2009Also, there is no way songs like Stray Heart would be scrapped, it's just too good too be scrapped. I think Walk Away is a different song, just with the same name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 "Murder City was written January 8th, 2009 after the riots about the BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueboy Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Murder City? Billie wrote that song around feb/march 2009 Also, there is no way songs like Stray Heart would be scrapped, it's just too good too be scrapped. I think Walk Away is a different song, just with the same name. It's just my opinion, maybe they had the music written but not the lyrics. I could be like that with all of the songs I listed. Maybe Stray Heart was missing something on that moment, so they decided it wasn't good enough; then when the time came, they found out what's missing, and they recorded it and put in on ¡Dos!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuckatthesethings Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It would be cool if they would release it like My Chemical Romance does at the moment which their album, each 2 months they release 2 songs. Altough I think we already heard half of cigarettes and valentines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyHandGrenade Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It would be cool if they would release it like My Chemical Romance does at the moment which their album, each 2 months they release 2 songs. Altough I think we already heard half of cigarettes and valentines That plan wouldn't work for me. I get absolutely sick of a song if I listen to it for days on end without a palate cleanser of some sort. That's why LP's are so great - you only hear a song every 35-60 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Benjamin Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Dropout and Sleepyhead were two different songs. Sleepyhead was dropped from Warning Ohhhh okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iScottie Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 This whole album and the aftermath is such a conspiracy. Nobody will know what happened, not even Green Day! All I know is that I would like them to re-record the tracks someday down the road. Sure we've already gotten songs like "Cigarettes And Valentines" and "Walk Away", but I'd like to hear it all But look at it this way. Had Cigarettes and Valentines been released, then we would never gotten American Idiot. It's a fucking masterpiece. Everything happens for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schesney Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hey guys so i'm gonna be putting up a version of Green Day's Cigarettes and Valentines. Part Live Cuts, Part Studio, Part Reworking of the Demos. And here is the artwork i made for it. I've used for the front cover, a previously made cover but i have modified it; and for the back i used a picture from the Green Day Rhapsody Ad with the Reference to C&V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperXCsabre495 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Okay what songs are we 100% sure are from Cigarettes and Valentines that have been released/heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hey guys so i'm gonna be putting up a version of Green Day's Cigarettes and Valentines. Part Live Cuts, Part Studio, Part Reworking of the Demos. And here is the artwork i made for it. I've used for the front cover, a previously made cover but i have modified it; and for the back i used a picture from the Green Day Rhapsody Ad with the Reference to C&V. You can't post the first 4 or the last 2, they're copyrighted. But great artwork! Okay what songs are we 100% sure are from Cigarettes and Valentines that have been released/heard? 90% Probably Cigarettes and Valentines Too Much too Soon Shoplifter Hearts Collide Minnesota Girl Walk Away Things I Heard Today What About Today Maybe: Boys In the Bathroom Stall Why Does it Always Rain on Me? Letterbomb (Known as Clusterbomb then) Wake Me Up When September Ends Olivia Roshambo Supermodel Robots Unheard (from 1997-2003) Dropout Sleepyhead Wastaway Bob's Your Uncle Alfred E. Normal They said they had 19 tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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