That Dude Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Cigarettes and Valentines is actually a compilation album of all the songs about the wifey: When I Come around 80 Sweet 16 Last of the American Girls Church on Sunday Last Night on Earth When It's Time and then F(woo) Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 1 minute ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said: Cigarettes and Valentines is actually a compilation album of all the songs about the wifey: When I Come around 80 Sweet 16 Last of the American Girls Church on Sunday Last Night on Earth When It's Time and then F(woo) Time. And Youngblood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dakke said: And Youngblood and the cover is them posing like the Breakdown album cover. Nude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said: Cigarettes and Valentines is actually a compilation album of all the songs about the wifey: When I Come around 80 Sweet 16 Last of the American Girls Church on Sunday Last Night on Earth When It's Time and then F(woo) Time. When I Come Around isn't about wifey according to Billie. Oh and Fuck Time is about Amanda Jones "Oh, Amanda Jones, your holy grace, I want to choke you 'til you're blue in the face, Got dirty thoughts in a dirty mind, Ahhhh, Oh baby, baby, it's fuck time" 18 minutes ago, Too Dumb to Die(s) said: and the cover is them posing like the Breakdown album cover. Nude. And then Billie was like shit... You know what, I think I'd prefer to scrap these songs and this nude cover and record a concept record /rock opera about my ex girlfriend Amanda (but call her Whatsername) and it will be fucking epic and I'll make a book about it and it will become a Broadway musical and for decades to come fans will adore the album and this female punk hero Amanda aka Whatsername. Yeah! Fuck the boring love album to the wife I'll tell everyone that got stolen and nobody will even care because of the epic masterpiece about my ex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 On 12/15/2016 at 8:00 PM, Hero_Of_The_Hour said: When I Come Around isn't about wifey according to Billie. Oh and Fuck Time is about Amanda Jones "Oh, Amanda Jones, your holy grace, I want to choke you 'til you're blue in the face, Got dirty thoughts in a dirty mind, Ahhhh, Oh baby, baby, it's fuck time" And then Billie was like shit... You know what, I think I'd prefer to scrap these songs and this nude cover and record a concept record /rock opera about my ex girlfriend Amanda (but call her Whatsername) and it will be fucking epic and I'll make a book about it and it will become a Broadway musical and for decades to come fans will adore the album and this female punk hero Amanda aka Whatsername. Yeah! Fuck the boring love album to the wife I'll tell everyone that got stolen and nobody will even care because of the epic masterpiece about my ex! I know F(woo) Time wasn't about her, just thought it was the perfect song to end on. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RougeRogue Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Alright, Then there's two parts to the album (Billie likes parts and sections after all) Cigarettes is all the songs about Amanda Valentines is all the songs about Adrienne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Cat Troll Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 On 12/15/2016 at 0:57 PM, Insomniac186 said: I honestly believe they are from 2002-2003 since Green Day was in the studio recording tons of stuff at that time, and we got the Network album out of it. The same people that are credited with the AI b-sides are also credited with the Network album. Many of the AI b-sides could easily fit on the Network album. Even Lights Out fits in with the Network album. By the way, anyone notice Hearts Collide mentions valentines? A bit of a coincidence. One of the reasons I believe the two non-cover 21CBD b-sides are from the same sessions as the AI ones. I still believe that whole batch of songs are demos of potential C&V songs and given a good mix so they could be released as b-sides since at the time the supposed C&V masters were missing. If Too Much Too Soon was supposed to be on C&V why no credit for Rob Cavallo? It's all the in-house guys from Jingletown that are in the credits. That's why I believe they are C&V demos, or at least songs that were in consideration for the album. That makes a lot of sense to me, especially if you listen to Hearts Collide and Cigarettes and Valentines they have a very similar sound and feel to them. I think it's a very probable theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insomniac186 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 16 hours ago, Hell Cat Troll said: That makes a lot of sense to me, especially if you listen to Hearts Collide and Cigarettes and Valentines they have a very similar sound and feel to them. I think it's a very probable theory. Billie Joe's guitar playing style is also similar on all the aforementioned material. I'm a drummer so I don't know a lot of guitar terminology, but on a lot of those recordings Billie Joe plays a lot on single strings on parts of songs instead of strumming multiple strings. Him playing in that style is very specific to this era. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Any guitar players get what I'm saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddie86 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 8 hours ago, Insomniac186 said: Billie Joe's guitar playing style is also similar on all the aforementioned material. I'm a drummer so I don't know a lot of guitar terminology, but on a lot of those recordings Billie Joe plays a lot on single strings on parts of songs instead of strumming multiple strings. Him playing in that style is very specific to this era. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Any guitar players get what I'm saying? I've noticed that too, and I'm not the biggest fan of that style. Might as well just be a bass line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticpictureframe Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Hahaha. So fake, even though it's said that Money Money 2020 was originally C&V this is so fake that I'm laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misery11 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I've made my own mini ep thing to bridge the gap between Warning and American Idiot Poprocks and Coke (With intro from Maria added and removed from Maria) Maria Shoplifter Favorite Son Too Much Too Soon Governator Lights Out Hearts Collide Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollocks Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Weren't the 21CB b-sides recorded at Butch Vigs house? At least Lights Out was, as it was recorded when they were demoing there. Also remember when the demo version of 21st leaked? Light out leaked too, so they're obviously from the same leak source... same session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 "A Quick One While He's Away" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Chris Dugan Mixed by Chris Lord-Alge "Hearts Collide" "Another State of Mind" "That's Alright" "Like a Rolling Stone" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Chris Dugan Mixed by Chris Dugan "Lights Out" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Chris Dugan "Too Much Too Soon" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Reto Peter Mixed by Tim James "Shoplifter" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Chris Dugan and Reto Peter Mixed by Tim James "Governator" Produced by Green Day Engineered by Chris Dugan assisted by Reto Peter Mixed by Chris Dugan "Favorite Son" Produced by Rob Cavallo and Green Day Engineered by Doug McKean Mixed by Doug McKean This shows the credited differences between all of the American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown b-sides. I know A Quick One was recorded during the 21st Century Breakdown sessions, but I'm unsure about the other 3 covers. Hearts Collide has the same credits as those 3, so I think it's likely that it was recorded during the same sessions. As for Favorite Son, it was announced in 2003 that Green Day would be releasing a song on Rock Against Bush, and Rock Against Bush came out in August 2004, a few days after the single "American Idiot" made its debut. Too Much Too Soon is the only confirmed C&V track on this list, and considering Shoplifter and Governator also share Reto Peter as an engineer, it's likely that they were C&V tracks too, but not certain as they have variation in their credits too by having Chris Dugan in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Gotsis Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Someone said a few pages back that in the american idiot sessions they only recorded the 13 tracks. But in heart like a handgrenade it shows an official session paper that says they recorded 16 tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Δημήτρης Γκότσης said: Someone said a few pages back that in the american idiot sessions they only recorded the 13 tracks. But in heart like a handgrenade it shows an official session paper that says they recorded 16 tracks. Could that include C&V era Too Much Too Soon, Governator and Shoplifter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Gotsis Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 29 minutes ago, Dakke said: Could that include C&V era Too Much Too Soon, Governator and Shoplifter? thats what I thought but with all the different engineers and produces , it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakke Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Δημήτρης Γκότσης said: thats what I thought but with all the different engineers and produces , it doesn't make sense. Yeah, you're right. Dugan wasn't involved with all those songs. My educated (but totally speculative) guess is that there were more songs which were not songlets which were part of Jesus of Suburbia or Homecoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misery11 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 ignore this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongviewOnParadise Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 When "Like a Rat Does Cheese" was perfomed? 'Cause I Think It Was From C&V. On 23/01/2017 at 9:45 PM, Misery11 said: I've made my own mini ep thing to bridge the gap between Warning and American Idiot Poprocks and Coke (With intro from Maria added and removed from Maria) Maria Shoplifter Favorite Son Too Much Too Soon Governator Lights Out Hearts Collide Thoughts? But "Maria" With Intro From "She's a Saint Not A Celebrity" at the Start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDayTheory Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 C&V might just be demos but here is candidates Cigarettes & Valentinens Dropout Too Much Too Soon 90% Minnesota Girl Things I Heard Today Wasteaway Sleepyhead What About Today 50% Clusterbomb Shoplifter Governator 0% Olivia Youngblood My theory was they was demoing ideas,He thinks about a concept album,then cuts several songs and,scraps C&V Well the description of C&V actually fits of the songs we have here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.