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Erm no. The mere idea of an Anarchic state is ridiculous. Law. Order. Government. Hierarchy. The enforcement of all of these is required for a peaceful and prgressive modern civilisation.

A true Anarchic civilisation would actually hinder the freedom of speech by removing the orgainsed forum within which it is heard. Humans like order. Anarchy does have its own type of order, true, but it is not one which comes naturally to the human condition, nor would it possibly work in realtiy - like Marxism. All far-left ideas are genuinely wonderful concepts but easily abused and deeply, deeply flawed in reality. Shame.

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Mmmmm, Marxism.

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It's actually hilarious that people voted for yes. Granted, I am not a friend of certain government branches, I am nonetheless thankful for an anchored society. Do you realize what anarchy means? No safety, nothing is ensured.

Have you ever heard of a political belief called the state of nature? If you haven't, educate yourselfs with a book called Two Treatises of Government by John Locke. Read his contemporary's work The Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes. Look at the scenarios that they propose. You'll be thankful you have government.

I am even a nihilist. I am not pro-absolute government at all, but I am supportive of a limited centralize government. Anarchy is a terrible idea. It accomplishes nothing and is the deterioration of society. I don't know why the hell you would want to support something that can kill you as easily as it leads you to power. Anarchy is merely a transition from democracy/representation to tyranny.

Plague yourselves and wave the black flag.
"Prefiero morir en pie que vivir en rodilla." - Emiliano Zapata

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There's one thing for sure, as some of the freeform responses to this survey about anarchists show: Anarchists are badass funny folks most of the time. :p

http://www.anarchist...ey.com/results/
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REVIVAAAAAAAAL!!!!

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Someone get Eva


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Someone get Eva


I HAVE ARRIVED, BITCHES

Also, in case no one knows anything about me, anarchy is a yes.


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Hmmn, anarchy's ideology whilst sounding brilliant is never realistically going to work like that, this is mentioned by lots of people in this thread. However what isn't mentioned is the fact that this is the same with every political ideology (animal farm anyone??), even if you look at democracy and how what actually happens is far worse and far different from what democracy is actually meant to be.



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I'm not into anarchy at all. In some cases it would be awesome to have a lawless state for sure, but overall I just think it would be complete chaos. Someone needs to keep a country under control, people can't just run around and do whatever they want to do.



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I HAVE ARRIVED, BITCHES

Also, in case no one knows anything about me, anarchy is a yes.

 

Elabor8. 



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Did this thread really need to be bumped? >_>


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Did this thread really need to be bumped? >_>

yep, someone wanted to make a club for anarchy (ironic, I know).
Since I had already made this thread we're using this instead of the club.

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Yeah, uh, no. Almost every example of a functioning "anarchistic" micro-society has required a larger and greater functioning society in order to even exist. 



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To people who say anarchy can work do you..know history????

For example, medieval cities. They succeeded maintaining a socialized organization of production and trade and this led to a period of rapid intellectual, industrial and artistic progress.

 

The decay of these communal institutions came from the incapacity of people combining the village with the city, peasants with the citizen so that led to destruction of free cities.

Also the french revolution was all about anarchism, it's aim was to equalize fortunes, and create a national system of rationally established prices of all commodities. Something YOU DO NOT GET IN CAPITALISM.

 

(thank u kropotkin 4 letting me paraphrase u)

 

bla bla there's a lot to say on it but i don't have time. what do i have is a whole bunch of great links that you should all read before jumping on the "BUT IT DOESN'T WORK IN PRACTICE?!?!?!"

 

http://anarchist-pdf...ive.tumblr.com/

http://anarchist-pdf...ive.tumblr.com/

http://class-struggl...ism.tumblr.com/



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Yeah, uh, no. Almost every example of a functioning "anarchistic" micro-society has required a larger and greater functioning society in order to even exist. 

 

But since modern states, with the help of technology, can exert influence on nearly every corner of the planet today, you can't blame anarchists for not being completely separate from something that is virtually omnipresent with or without their consent. 



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Yeah, uh, no. Almost every example of a functioning "anarchistic" micro-society has required a larger and greater functioning society in order to even exist. 

Did a capitalist tell you that?



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yep, someone wanted to make a club for anarchy (ironic, I know).
 

 

It's not ironic. Clubs are based on voluntary association and so are anarchist collectives. 



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It's not ironic. Clubs are based on voluntary association and so are anarchist collectives. 

I thought anarchy just meant chaos :huh:



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I thought anarchy just meant chaos :huh:

 

Nah, chaos is just what makes anarchy fun! 

 

Bottles are for parties. Molotov cocktails are bottles. Molotovs are parties. 



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Nah, chaos is just what makes anarchy fun! 

 

Bottles are for parties. Molotov cocktails are bottles. Molotovs are parties. 

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It's not ironic. Clubs are based on voluntary association and so are anarchist collectives.

 
touché

I thought anarchy just meant chaos :huh:

There is a Norwegian saying: "du skal ikke plage andre, du skal være grei og snill, men forøvrig kan man gjøre som man vil." Which translates to "you shall not bother others, you should be kind and nice, that aside you can do whatever you want.

I imagine if anarchy was in the works anywhere, nothing would happen and the capitalists would try to rise and fall since there are no laws against stealing their money and use it as you please.
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I imagine if anarchy was in the works anywhere, nothing would happen and the capitalists would try to rise and fall since there are no laws against stealing their money and use it as you please.

There wouldn't be stealing because there'd be no need for it. Criminal activity is led by capitalism because it is about power. It's not led by human nature, society adapts to certain different ways of living depending on how it grows. With capitalism, greed is encouraged, but it is not innate.



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To people who say anarchy can work do you..know history????

For example, medieval cities. They succeeded maintaining a socialized organization of production and trade and this led to a period of rapid intellectual, industrial and artistic progress.

 

The decay of these communal institutions came from the incapacity of people combining the village with the city, peasants with the citizen so that led to destruction of free cities.

Also the french revolution was all about anarchism, it's aim was to equalize fortunes, and create a national system of rationally established prices of all commodities. Something YOU DO NOT GET IN CAPITALISM.

 

 

 

What those medieval cities with their currencies and laws and guards and civic institutions and mayors/town councils running them? Sounds like anarchy. Yup.


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I imagine if anarchy was in the works anywhere, nothing would happen and the capitalists would try to rise and fall since there are no laws against stealing their money and use it as you please.

 

Capitalists wouldn't voluntarily associate with anarchists, and if there were people trying exploitative trade inside an anarchist collective, then the anarchists would presumably take action against them rather than allow themselves to be swindled. 



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Hmmn, anarchy's ideology whilst sounding brilliant is never realistically going to work like that, this is mentioned by lots of people in this thread. However what isn't mentioned is the fact that this is the same with every political ideology (animal farm anyone??), even if you look at democracy and how what actually happens is far worse and far different from what democracy is actually meant to be.

It's not accurate to conclude from failed real life examples of attempts to implement a certain ideology, that it is NEVER going to work. And as far as I remember, is Animal Farm not about how the idea of communism can never work, but it depicts how and why it went wrong in relation to the attempt of creating a communist society in Russia.

 

I'm not into anarchy at all. In some cases it would be awesome to have a lawless state for sure, but overall I just think it would be complete chaos. Someone needs to keep a country under control, people can't just run around and do whatever they want to do.

You're perpetuating a common misconception about anarchism: That in an anarchist society, there wouldn't be rules and people could do whatever they want to do, which is wrong. The idea is more to create a society without hierarchies in which everyone has equal say regarding community decisions and especially regarding the usage of resources and land.

 

Did this thread really need to be bumped? >_>

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Did a capitalist tell you that?

Nope. I formulated it with my own observations. 



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You're perpetuating a common misconception about anarchism: That in an anarchist society, there wouldn't be rules and people could do whatever they want to do, which is wrong. The idea is more to create a society without hierarchies in which everyone has equal say regarding community decisions and especially regarding the usage of resources and land.

Oh well, I don't like hierachies, lol. :P



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Nope. I formulated it with my own observations. 

Oh well then I will listen to u

 

 

What those medieval cities with their currencies and laws and guards and civic institutions and mayors/town councils running them? Sounds like anarchy. Yup.

Notice I said decay.

Also anarchy doesn't mean no society/production whatever. It's just a more self governing approach and less about power and having class structure.



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Self governing could never work, really. I'm soz~ We're all cunts and we all want what is best for us, and if this is at the extent of others then so be it. 



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Notice I said decay.

Also anarchy doesn't mean no society/production whatever. It's just a more self governing approach and less about power and having class structure.

 

But a lot of those institutions had existed for thousands of years at that point? Hardly a decay.





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