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Just to say I've not read that article, and I've not kept up with Dawkins' or Harris' stuff for a couple of years, so I don't know what they've been saying recently, but I don't really have a problem with Islamophobia IF it's included as part of a more general 'religiophobia' - i.e. you hate all other religions equally as well. I assume that that would apply to Dawkins, Harris and the others. Let's not forget that the extreme parts of Islam has committed some of the worst, most vile acts of evil in recent times (I'm not saying other religions are any better), and I can't really blame people for reacting to that. They could be doing it in a worse way, after all.

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Just to say I've not read that article, and I've not kept up with Dawkins' or Harris' stuff for a couple of years, so I don't know what they've been saying recently, but I don't really have a problem with Islamophobia IF it's included as part of a more general 'religiophobia' - i.e. you hate all other religions equally as well. I assume that that would apply to Dawkins, Harris and the others. Let's not forget that the extreme parts of Islam has committed some of the worst, most vile acts of evil in recent times (I'm not saying other religions are any better), and I can't really blame people for reacting to that. They could be doing it in a worse way, after all.

I get where you're coming from; it's sort of the same principle that lets shows like South Park get away with all their questionable jokes - they don't target any group in particular, they spend an equal amount of time making jokes about everyone, so it doesn't seem as bad. I don't think it's okay for anyone ever to be prejudiced against any religion, though. Being prejudiced against all religions, I think, just strengthens this arrogant atheist profile; an atheist who sees themselves as somehow above anyone practicing a religion because of their superior intellect or whatever dumb thing they come up with. It's really harmful and one of the things I dislike most about atheists as a whole.


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Anyway, it is clear that just like every ideology, atheism can be used wrong.

Atheism isn't an ideology. It's the lack of one.



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Atheism isn't an ideology. It's the lack of one.

I've been tugged back and forth on this one. Atheism is "by definition" a lack of religion (not necessarily ideology aha) but then someone said to me, considering the way this lack of belief makes people behave in given situations, would it not then be fair to consider it kind of belief system? And I was like ahhhh but hmmmmmm 


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I've been tugged back and forth on this one. Atheism is "by definition" a lack of religion (not necessarily ideology aha) but then someone said to me, considering the way this lack of belief makes people behave in given situations, would it not then be fair to consider it kind of belief system? And I was like ahhhh but hmmmmmm 

Ideology definition: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

 

Atheism is not a system of anything. It doesn't make anyone act a certain way. Each individual atheist make their own individual decisions.

 

If atheism is a belief system, then every religious person also has multiple beliefs systems for all the other religions in existence that they don't accept.


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I get where you're coming from; it's sort of the same principle that lets shows like South Park get away with all their questionable jokes - they don't target any group in particular, they spend an equal amount of time making jokes about everyone, so it doesn't seem as bad. I don't think it's okay for anyone ever to be prejudiced against any religion, though. Being prejudiced against all religions, I think, just strengthens this arrogant atheist profile; an atheist who sees themselves as somehow above anyone practicing a religion because of their superior intellect or whatever dumb thing they come up with. It's really harmful and one of the things I dislike most about atheists as a whole.

I think there's a difference between being against religions themselves and being prejudiced against religious people. A religion is really just a set of ideas, and if someone thinks they're harmful ideas or that they don't have merit I see no problem with saying so, as long as you don't then take the ignorant step of thinking anyone who believes those ideas is automatically bad in some way or less worthy of respect. You can respect a person, and their right to have their own beliefs, without respecting what they believe.


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Ideology definition: a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.

 

Atheism is not a system of anything. It doesn't make anyone act a certain way. Each individual atheist make their own individual decisions.

 

If atheism is a belief system, then every religious person also has multiple beliefs systems for all the other religions in existence that they don't accept.

Yeah, you're right. 


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So today, the Church of England appointed its first female bishop. I wonder how religious institutions have got away with this for so long? If there were a company, whose policy it was to exclude women from becoming the CEO, they'd be sued immediately - and rightly so, of course. Why is the church different?
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So today, the Church of England appointed its first female bishop. I wonder how religious institutions have got away with this for so long? If there were a company, whose policy it was to exclude women from becoming the CEO, they'd be sued immediately - and rightly so, of course. Why is the church different?

Because old institutions fear change, and people with the power to make that change fear the backlash of those their predecessors have indoctrinated against it.




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