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Adorkable
39 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Yeah...the same guy who got re-elected with 80% of the vote the same year Mike Pence got re-elected isn't going to do well in moderate to conservative areas¬†ūüôĄ

Pay attention to some conservative-leaning media. They are kind of afraid of Mayor Pete right now. He is realistic about his ideas and what he believes we can achieve. I honestly would love to see him in a debate against Trump because I think he could talk Trump into being an even bigger stammering idiot than he already is. 

As much as I was all about Bernie in 2016, there are at least three candidates in this race already that I put ahead of him now. I think that he absolutely needs to be a voice that dictates policy discussion, but I don't trust that he'd be able to beat Trump. The way he answered questions about his newfound millionaire status was absolutely atrocious and he made some comments that could easily be twisted around by the right when it comes to the whole capitalism vs. democratic socialism thing. I believe that Mayor Pete has BY FAR given the best answer when it comes to capitalism. 

I have been able to get some ideas about where he stands on the issues by bits and pieces. An interview here, an interview there but it is hard to find a consolidated place to find out where he stands. He needs to make it easy for people to understand his platform. But so far I love that he is a centrist and realist. He just needs to add alot more to his campaign website

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Ryan
2 hours ago, Adorkable said:

I have been able to get some ideas about where he stands on the issues by bits and pieces. An interview here, an interview there but it is hard to find a consolidated place to find out where he stands. He needs to make it easy for people to understand his platform. But so far I love that he is a centrist and realist. He just needs to add alot more to his campaign website

Remember that it was just last weekend that he actually officially started running. I agree with you that he will eventually need to add a lot more substance. However, I don't think he needs to do that now. He needs to keep doing what he is doing and making people go, "oh wow, this guy seems totally rational and l kinda like him." Once we get into June and start debates, he will need actual policy substance, but I don't think he needs to rush into that. 

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Adorkable
36 minutes ago, Ryan said:

Remember that it was just last weekend that he actually officially started running. I agree with you that he will eventually need to add a lot more substance. However, I don't think he needs to do that now. He needs to keep doing what he is doing and making people go, "oh wow, this guy seems totally rational and l kinda like him." Once we get into June and start debates, he will need actual policy substance, but I don't think he needs to rush into that. 

I think he needs to get something stated, in writing sooner rather than later. He is drawing people in but if there is no substance they will lose interest.

I'm not sure what this means but the trump organization bought the website pete2020.com. if you select it it takes you to the trump organization website

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Sarcasm

explain lobbying to me like I'm 5 and subsequently how on earth it's legal cause it seems to me like it shouldn't be legal. use small words I'm quite dumb

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Adorkable
3 minutes ago, Sarcasm said:

explain lobbying to me like I'm 5 and subsequently how on earth it's legal cause it seems to me like it shouldn't be legal. use small words I'm quite dumb

A lobbyist is someone who is hired to try and influence elected officials to enact legislation that would benefit the group that hired them. There is nothing wrong with lobbying, in theory they are just hired by someone to state an opinion to the elected official. 

Elected officials are not supposed to take any type of gift from a lobbyist. So nothing illegal, it is merely a lobbyist trying to persuade an official on whatever subject they are lobbying for.

However, there are "gifts" that are part of the process. For example, a lobbyist cant give a senator money, but they may organize a fundraiser that brings in money. Stuff like that

 

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Tre's Busted Drumkit
8 hours ago, Sarcasm said:

explain lobbying to me like I'm 5 and subsequently how on earth it's legal cause it seems to me like it shouldn't be legal. use small words I'm quite dumb

It's basically a bribery racket. Companies pay people with no real skills tons of money to go and tell important members of Congress that their employers will fund their reelection campaigns if they vote the way the company wants them to.

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o_O

yeah i'm not voting outside of Bernie or Tulsi or Warren at this point. worst case i vote third party again.  the only reason i switched back to Dem was to vote Bernie in our CLOSED primary. if he loses i'm going back to third party/independent again. 

 

And mayor pete is like Killery. Running b/c he's gay (not that i mind it) but if he's going to be like hillary being the first supposed woman president and is against medicare for all, then The the USA loses once again. 

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Adorkable
1 hour ago, o_O said:

yeah i'm not voting outside of Bernie or Tulsi or Warren at this point. worst case i vote third party again.  the only reason i switched back to Dem was to vote Bernie in our CLOSED primary. if he loses i'm going back to third party/independent again. 

 

And mayor pete is like Killery. Running b/c he's gay (not that i mind it) but if he's going to be like hillary being the first supposed woman president and is against medicare for all, then The the USA loses once again. 

Voting third party would not be smart in this election. You would take votes away from the dems and run the chance of trump walking back into office. The fact that not many people liked Hillary so chose to vote 3rd party (myself included) is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

I have lost all respect for Elizabeth Warren. She is lying through her teeth that her college debt plan would eliminate debt for 95% of people. That does not add up at all and she is saying it to grab headlines. However, if she is the dems nominee I will vote for her to get this idiot out of office 

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Tre's Busted Drumkit
10 hours ago, o_O said:

yeah i'm not voting outside of Bernie or Tulsi or Warren at this point.

For the love of God and all that is holy, please do not vote for Elizabeth Warren under any circumstances. If you like having money and you like having companies that sell you things, she's a disaster.

 

9 hours ago, Adorkable said:

Voting third party would not be smart in this election.

Voting third-party is always smart, although the Democrats and Republicans would love you to think otherwise.

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4 hours ago, Tre's Busted Drumkit said:

 

 

Voting third-party is always smart, although the Democrats and Republicans would love you to think otherwise.

In any other election I would agree. But this election is different. It isnt necessarily about getting the best candidate, it is about getting trump out of office. 

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Trotsky
3 hours ago, Adorkable said:

In any other election I would agree. But this election is different. It isnt necessarily about getting the best candidate, it is about getting trump out of office. 


What's the point of getting Trump out of office if there isn't substantial change in policy?

- Tens of thousands of Americans die every year from not being able to afford their medicine or to go to a doctor
- Our tax dollars are funding the bombing of preschools in Yemen so weapons manufacturers can get rich
- Wages continue to decline relative to inflation and the cost of living
- Student loan debt is keeping millions from upward mobility and stagnating the economy
- Payday lenders continue to get away with exploitation worse than mafia loan sharks
- The War on Drugs is killing countless Americans

And some of the Democratic candidates we have to choose from would change few if any of these things. What would be different? Maybe we'd end up with a President who would invade Venezuela just like Trump wants to but one who would at least let transgender soldiers die like everyone else in another war of aggression. We'd still have people dying cause their GoFundMe didn't raise enough money for the meds they need to live, but at least they'd take comfort in the fact that the new President doesn't make fun of reporters with disabilities as they take their dying breath.

The most important concept in all of politics is the Overton Window - the range of policy that people will accept. The Republicans go further and further to the right, and in doing so they bait the Democrats into moving the Overton Window right. And the Democrats take the bait every time! "Well, I guess we have to stay by the center!" They do it despite the fact that Republican Lite Dems get destroyed in every election while real progressives win. If we continue to accept every mediocre at best Democrat as the lesser evil, in a few decades from now the right will be outright fascism and the "left" will resemble Trumpist ideology of today.

You know when Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 election? When she decided to counter Trump's stupid, racist slogan by saying "America is already great." Because those words are a big middle finger to every American who are being bled dry while the ruling class get richer. Hillary Clinton's health care position was basically that Obamacare was good enough. Obamacare was the most meager reform imaginable, and some aspects of it like the individual mandate were originally ideas conceived by 90's Republicans. 

If we unconditionally offer our votes to a candidate who offers us nothing of substance, we will reap far worse consequences in the end than 4 more years of Trump.

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Tre's Busted Drumkit
4 hours ago, Adorkable said:

In any other election I would agree. But this election is different. It isnt necessarily about getting the best candidate, it is about getting trump out of office. 

I disagree. The idea of a "wasted vote" is one pushed by the two major parties to keep themselves in sole positions of power. Can you imagine how screwed both parties would be if there was a viable party out there that sat in the socially left, fiscally right niche that so many Americans find themselves in? I thought the Libertarian Party might be the one, then Gary Johnson proved himself to be clueless on foreign affairs. Point being, I would rather support a candidate I like and respect than let one of the two big parties use fear tactics to keep their numbers up.

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2 hours ago, Tre's Busted Drumkit said:

I disagree. The idea of a "wasted vote" is one pushed by the two major parties to keep themselves in sole positions of power. Can you imagine how screwed both parties would be if there was a viable party out there that sat in the socially left, fiscally right niche that so many Americans find themselves in? I thought the Libertarian Party might be the one, then Gary Johnson proved himself to be clueless on foreign affairs. Point being, I would rather support a candidate I like and respect than let one of the two big parties use fear tactics to keep their numbers up.

this is why i believe in ranked choice voting. you'd be amazed at how many eligible voters are more independent (whether libertarian or green) than there's Dems and Republicans. i can only imagine how this would go down if ranked choice voting would occur

Dem

Independent/Libertarian/Green

Republican

 

and now that some Republicans are fed up with Trumpsky they're jumping ship.

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1 hour ago, o_O said:

this is why i believe in ranked choice voting. you'd be amazed at how many eligible voters are more independent (whether libertarian or green) than there's Dems and Republicans. i can only imagine how this would go down if ranked choice voting would occur

Dem

Independent/Libertarian/Green

Republican

 

and now that some Republicans are fed up with Trumpsky they're jumping ship.


I think we ought to have ranked choice voting and change the way the Senate is elected from 2 majority winners per state to proportional seating based on the national vote. For example, if 45% of the population nationwide voted Republican, 45% Democrat, 5% Green, and 5% Libertarian, then we'd have each party respectively having 45, 45, 5 and 5 seats. Even 10 seats out of 100 in the Senate would make it an absolute necessity for the two major parties to make concessions to third parties.

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Tre's Busted Drumkit
11 hours ago, o_O said:

this is why i believe in ranked choice voting. you'd be amazed at how many eligible voters are more independent (whether libertarian or green) than there's Dems and Republicans. i can only imagine how this would go down if ranked choice voting would occur

Dem

Independent/Libertarian/Green

Republican

 

and now that some Republicans are fed up with Trumpsky they're jumping ship.

Careful with that assessment. The Democratic Party has issues of its own. There's about to be a deep split between the AOC disciples and the rest of the party that would prefer not to be associated with her silliness. If it's not handled carefully, you're going to see far more people bail on the Democratic Party than have bailed on the Republicans. So far, the Democrats have shown nothing that should give Donald Trump any fear of losing in 2020, and if they try to impeach him right now they might as well have someone start helping him with his second inauguration "mandate" speech.

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Outofmind
On 4/19/2019 at 4:32 AM, Sarcasm said:

I miss bush

The Band, Senior, or Junior?  or are you a gardener applying for a Monty Python Skit about tree people? 

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Outofmind

I want a Conservative Punk to be the next President of the US.   Certain punks in retrospect appear to have the most life experience and working knowledge of the general populace and they are musically outspoken quite frequently in favor of the rights of humanity; to see one involved in solving the issues they sing about over the microphone so much, with learned positive and moral behaviors to back them up could easily make for the greatest US President the world will have seen.   Being Conservative does not mean you have to be obnoxious, rude, conceited, etc.  Being Conservative also does not mean that you cannot believe in Conservation, Upgrading to Cleaner Energy Sources, and putting aside dangerous things.... after all.... dangerous things are used childishly and we are supposed to both educate and "put away childish things", are we not? 

 

Misquote? from The Holy Bible.... 1 Corinthians Chapter 13. 

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Beerjeezus

If Johnny Rotten was running I'd vote for him

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fukingcounterstrike

Sharing this because I love Noam Chomsky and he brings up so many good points. So many other pieces of his I'd like to share but I feel like this one plays into this coming election as well on multiple points.

 

and also curious about a lot of your opinions on Biden running and how it fits Mr. Chomsky's dialogue of how the democratic establishment is unwillingness to deal with actual political issues.

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Insane Ginny

The country never looked better, so I am for another 4 years with Trump.

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fukingcounterstrike
24 minutes ago, bmt93 said:

The country never looked better, so I am for another 4 years with Trump.

cute :happy: 

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o_O
2 hours ago, bmt93 said:

The country never looked better, so I am for another 4 years with Trump.

if you say so¬†ūüôĄ

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NothingButYourImagination

My thoughts on night 1 of the democratic debate: Winners: Warren, Castro, Booker. Runner-Up Winners: Gabbard, Klobuchar. Runner-Up Losers: Inslee, DeBlasio. Losers: Delaney, O'Rourke, Ryan

Some of these guys should stick to their day jobs. Others need to run in key Senate races where they are really needed. The rest of them come off as too Centrist or as Republicans in Democrat's clothing. 

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2 hours ago, NothingButYourImagination said:

Winners: Warren, Castro, Booker. Runner-Up Winners: Gabbard, Klobuchar. Runner-Up Losers: Inslee, DeBlasio. Losers: Delaney, O'Rourke, Ryan

Put Gabbard in with the winners and i agree with you. i think out of this group it's gonna be Warren, Gabbard, Booker and Castro. did you see how Booker and Warren react to when Beto speaking spanish? their reaction is GOLD

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Adorkable

I honestly do not get the Warren love. Her method of achieving her policies are unrealistic. To me she comes across fake and pandering. Plus, she actually did lie about her heritage. If she gets the nomination I will vote for her but I wont be happy about it

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