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herewegoagain

I don't really fear that it'll create a backlash or anything for Billie or Green Day, I'm just fascinated to know how he justifies it for himself personally

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Plot twist: he just doesn't give a shit

 

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Beerjeezus

I think the article is spot on. Do I get that people like Smiths'/Morrisey's music and respect him as an artist? Yeah, but I can't see how collabing with him can be beneficial for any of those artists.

Hahaha basically this would be really bad for Billie's publicity if someone other than us cared.

1 minute ago, herewegoagain said:

 

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Plot twist: he just dumb

 

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Billie Joe: Too Dumb To Die

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Beerjeezus
21 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

No but he’s still a public enough figure and vocal about his views that’s it’s a fair question why these artists don’t have any reservations about collaborating with him. For instance, when it comes out are the artists going to promote the release on their own social media? If Green Day’s own album comes out a few months after, I would imagine it will come up in interviews. Why did you do it, and they should be prepared to answer.  They have to know enough to not be caught off guard, so you bet they’ve thought about it.

Agreed. In that situation it might harm their credibility. Honestly, asking about the collab is the first thing I'd do when Billie starts with his anti-alt-right opinions, it's a very valid question and I'm very interested to see it answered. However, it's a lose lose situation, because what can he say? That he didn't know - that comes off as dumb, that he didn't care - not good ugh..and that's pretty much the choice he has.

7 minutes ago, DeJennsitized said:

If you're a man known for making political music, I think it's not unreasonable to do a little research into people before you collaborate with them. Or else getting a crowd to yell 'no racism!' and then doing a song with a racist is going to look a little hypocritical 

Lmaoo damn it I'm making a sign

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15 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

Agreed. In that situation it might harm their credibility. Honestly, asking about the collab is the first thing I'd do when Billie starts with his anti-alt-right opinions, it's a very valid question and I'm very interested to see it answered. However, it's a lose lose situation, because what can he say? That he didn't know - that comes off as dumb, that he didn't care - not good ugh..and that's pretty much the choice he has.

I think his best choice is what is likely the truth, that either he can work with people he disagrees with when the work focuses on the music or that he makes a point to engage with people with different or even distasteful views because we need to talk to each other and not live in a bubble to change minds.  That’s fine, but I agree it’s a far cry from Let’s all punch a nazi in the face. Then again, let’s engage with nazis to enlighten and change their minds doesn’t make a very good rallying cry in an arena. 😂  I think what we’re seeing is a difference between a stage persona and the rational, realistic human being. 

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1 minute ago, pacejunkie punk said:

I think his best choice is what is likely the truth, that either he can work with people he disagrees with when the work focuses on the music or that he makes a point to engage with people with different or even distasteful views because we need to talk to each other and not live in a bubble to change minds.  That’s fine, but I agree it’s a far cry from Let’s all punch a nazi in the face. Then again, let’s engage with nazis to enlighten and change their minds doesn’t make a very good rallying cry in an arena. 😂  I think what we’re seeing is a difference between a stage persona and the rational, realistic human being. 

Yes, I agree that's the most acceptable way to explain it, especially a simple "I don't care what people I work with think" would be honest and I appreciate that, even though I would disagree (mainly with the changing minds part) - debating nazis isn't the way to go imo, both in personal life or in politics.

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9 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

I don't approve of what this guy's saying (who by the way I know nothing about) but music and politics can be completely separate from each other. You can appreciate a musician's work even if you completely disagree with their political views. This really isn't a big deal to me

And it may not be a big deal to him. Weren’t certain members of the Ramones right-wing conservatives? There’s quite a lot of that in punk. East Bay punk with it’s Berkeley hippie influence is kind of the exception not the norm. 

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4 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

And it may not be a big deal to him. Weren’t certain members of the Ramones right-wing conservatives? There’s quite a lot of that in punk. East Bay punk with it’s Berkeley hippie influence is kind of the exception not the norm. 

I don't think so. British 70's punk was mostly leftist/socialist, there's a lot of anarchist punk too. Right wing punk seems like an exception...if we don't count whatever skinheads listen to haha

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29 minutes ago, Beerjeezus said:

I don't think so. British 70's punk was mostly leftist/socialist, there's a lot of anarchist punk too. Right wing punk seems like an exception...if we don't count whatever skinheads listen to haha

The Ramones were American. I think I remember hearing that about The Ramones. 

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10 minutes ago, pacejunkie punk said:

The Ramones were American. I think I remember hearing that about The Ramones. 

Yes, what I meant is that it's not really common in general, but it's true of The Ramones I think.

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Virginia Lot Lizard

No racism. No sexism. Let’s collaborate with Morrissey! “Let’s focus on the music” is like when people tell him to shut the fuck up and play music when he voices his opinions. I don’t know how I feel about this. I don’t feel exactly good about it. 

Racism and victim blaming. Awesome. 

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58 minutes ago, Virginia Lot Lizard said:

No racism. No sexism. Let’s collaborate with Morrissey! “Let’s focus on the music” is like when people tell him to shut the fuck up and play music when he voices his opinions. I don’t know how I feel about this. I don’t feel exactly good about it. 

Racism and victim blaming. Awesome. 

It’s possible he hasn’t heard any of the idiotic things morrissey has said or done. Unless you went looking it’s easy to miss it. I’d call ignorance tbh

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Virginia Lot Lizard

I hope it’s not because he ran out of fucks to give. I hope he still cares. I didn’t take him for an ignorant person. The Matika thing being brushed aside and now this seems weird. Maybe he just didn’t know. Or care. Nobody really knows and it’s not like he’s saying anything about it. I wonder if interviewers are going to ask about this during the next big round of press for the new album.

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That Dude

And I thought I was the only one that saw this, haha. 

I know almost nothing about this guy, I was just happy to see something new from Billie Joe.  

As for whatever controversy it is stirring among us, maybe the bad things you have heard about him are not true.  Maybe they are and Billie is trying change his way of thinking.  We don't know.  

I might check out some of his music.  There's so much darned music, I simply haven't gotten around to any of his material before now.  

 

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pacejunkie punk

It’s funny we’re talking about this today. I’m watching Ant Man and the Wasp right now and there’s a guy who says his grandmother had a jukebox that played nothing but Morrissey 😂

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neverdone2000

After reading all of this I really am at a loss for Billie’s motivation to collab with Morissey. I feel like he must have not been aware. I sure wasn’t, and I’m up on pretty much all things political.

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Green Day In Seattle

I don't know what to feel about this. I had no idea who the fuck Morrissey was before this and now I'm super confused as to why Billie would choose to collaborate with such a dick. Maybe he's better than all of us and is able to put aside differences, no matter how great, and just do it purely for shared appreciation of music. But then again, doing that is still endorsing the music of someone who is a shithead. Why, Billie? He represents a lot of the things you're against. I really hope that Billie is asked at some point what his reasons were for doing this, or offers the information himself. I'd love to know.

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jengd

I know this was Billie’s choice to work on this project with Morrissey, and it does just appear to be one song but can anyone tell me if they have managed to work/ get through life without having any contact with some total assholes?  

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Not as cool as Tré Cool

idk/c who morrissey is, all I want is a new album

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Tubbie Head

I doubt Billie knows about Morrissey's nationalist ideologies. I didn't know myself and it surprises me coming from a vegan (his activism is the thing I was aware of and support, even tho I don't think some of his tactics are the most effective, It's good to see those in the spotlight bringing that stuff up)

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Josh100_3

Guys, lots of musicians collaborate even though their political beliefs might not line up.

I read somewhere once that Tom Morello and Ted Nugent are more or less friends, and you can’t get a more polar opposite in terms of political views.

 

Musicians love to play with other Musicians. Maybe Billie grew up listening to the Smiths and thought it would be cool to do a song with him? They’re musicians not politicians.

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