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Beerjeezus
7 hours ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

Ftfy :lol:

You will have to fight me now :mad:

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Christian's Inferno!
1 hour ago, Jane Lannister said:

You will have to fight me now :mad:

21CB > AI > Stop, Drop & Roll > RevRad > Dos > Tré > Uno > LIFL

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Beerjeezus
54 minutes ago, Christian's Inferno! said:

21CB > AI > Stop, Drop & Roll > RevRad > Dos > Tré > Uno > LIFL

I like your list but LIFL would go in front of the Trilogy on mine :P

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Virginia Lot Lizard
On 11/1/2018 at 10:13 AM, hym.jarred said:

I love Love is for Losers

Me too! Chasing a Ghost and Love is for Losers are my favorite on the record. I also like Soul Surrender and Turn Me Loose a lot. And a ghost is mentioned in Soul Surrender too “I swear I think I saw a ghost”. I like the characters on this record. They’re sad and heartbreaking but really interesting. I love the songwriting for the Longshot. 

P.S. You guys were right. I tried looking up the lyrics on different sites. They’re horrible. Who transcibes these things? So bad!

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hym.jarred

I also like how the guitar intro to the Love is For Losers is totally inspired by the song Long Time Gone that he covered

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hym.jarred
22 hours ago, hym.jarred said:

I also like how the guitar intro to the Love is For Losers is totally inspired by the song Long Time Gone that he covered

It's kind of fun to listen to those guitar intos back to back.

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PleasedToMeetMe

Really love the style of The Longshot. Very mature but fun and playful, I honestly enjoy it more than the trilogy. It's got a real Paul Westerberg/Replacements kind of vibe, wouldnt mind Green Day going more in that direction for their next album. Love the production too, everything sounds so pure.

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IcyMoffatt

After the shitty sunday I had this weekend and since yesterday morning I was closed to the only store in Montreal that sells the Longshot album, I wanted to buy it just to cheer me up. But the store lost the only copy available. :cry:

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The Insider
11 hours ago, IcyMoffatt said:

After the shitty sunday I had this weekend and since yesterday morning I was closed to the only store in Montreal that sells the Longshot album, I wanted to buy it just to cheer me up. But the store lost the only copy available. :cry:

Smoke one.

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WhiteTim

Good job @solongfromthestars

Assuming since the lyrics kind of play off on Devils Kind that A bump in this song is using the slang for cocaine as devils kind he mentions that the party is in his pockets (that’s what I’m assuming anyways) 

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solongfromthestars
1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

Good job @solongfromthestars

Assuming since the lyrics kind of play off on Devils Kind that A bump in this song is using the slang for cocaine as devils kind he mentions that the party is in his pockets (that’s what I’m assuming anyways) 

Thanks! I think you're right "bump" is referring to cocaine if that is the lyric (and it definitely sounds like it). Fits with the party theme. Good observation that it might tie into the "pocket" line in Devil's Kind too! I actually temporarily forgot about Devil's Kind so I'm glad you reminded me, I'll have to think something up about it.

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Virginia Lot Lizard
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Hey @solongfromthestars That was great! I really enjoyed it! I could write a book on linking the stories and themes and the characters too with a lot of similarities to yours and also some other theories too! I saw a link from the Trilogy to the Longshot too. Also the beginning of Too Dumb to Die (sentimental illness for you, please don’t go away) and the little exorcist from Bouncing of the Wall sounds like this character was an inspiration behind that too (a fun saint-sinner type character who is missing/lost/gone). I think Mother Mary is to Gloria is to the Wild One is to the Longshot and you can see the story gets further and further away from the character the longer she’s gone and the less fun it gets and how messy or boring it gets waiting for her or wondering where she went. “If you see her tell her that i said hello” feels like it is heartbreaking! “Where are you Gloria? Where’s your undying love?” Gloria’s missing/long lost valentine is missing. Definitely could be a 4,500 or more word essay! Also! Late night and sunrise and sunshine seems to be running theme if you run the storylines together. I do want to write a Green Day/Longshot theme and character essay! Haha. Yours was great to read. Thank you for that! And yes you missed Devil’s Kind I’m glad was brought up too. Yes bump is slang for a little bit of cocaine but it’s like he’s using parties and drugs to cover up how not fun a party is without his sunshine/devils kind/long lost valentine and he’s self medicating because of the fun he missed. Devils Kind sounds like when things were still fun and she was not so lost “I’ll be the king forever, you can be my sunshine.” 

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solongfromthestars
38 minutes ago, Virginia Lot Lizzard said:

Hey @solongfromthestars That was great! I really enjoyed it! I could write a book on linking the stories and themes and the characters too with a lot of similarities to yours and also some other theories too! I saw a link from the Trilogy to the Longshot too. Also the beginning of Too Dumb to Die (sentimental illness for you, please don’t go away) and the little exorcist from Bouncing of the Wall sounds like this character was an inspiration behind that too (a fun saint-sinner type character who is missing/lost/gone). I think Mother Mary is to Gloria is to the Wild One is to the Longshot and you can see the story gets further and further away from the character the longer she’s gone and the less fun it gets and how messy or boring it gets waiting for her or wondering where she went. “If you see her tell her that i said hello” feels like it is heartbreaking! “Where are you Gloria? Where’s your undying love?” Gloria’s missing/long lost valentine is missing. Definitely could be a 4,500 or more word essay! Also! Late night and sunrise and sunshine seems to be running theme if you run the storylines together. I do want to write a Green Day/Longshot theme and character essay! Haha. Yours was great to read. Thank you for that! And yes you missed Devil’s Kind I’m glad was brought up too. Yes bump is slang for a little bit of cocaine but it’s like he’s using parties and drugs to cover up how not fun a party is without his sunshine/devils kind/long lost valentine and he’s self medicating because of the fun he missed. Devils Kind sounds like when things were still fun and she was not so lost “I’ll be the king forever, you can be my sunshine.” 

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. I love hearing from other people who are into song meanings. Thanks for sharing your interpretations. I agree about the cocaine and party theme in general. The parties and drugs may not even be real (or at least not as literally as they seem at surface level) but metaphorical. That "tell her I said hello" line is really heartbreaking! The whole song is actually. I'm not sure if Gloria is a prequel, so to speak, to this character because I know Billie has said she's part of him, but it's definitely possible she inspired Gloria a bit. Really interesting to consider that Mother Mary could be her too. I hadn't thought of that. And the sunrise/sunshine references. That could even tie into Wow! That's Loud with "staring in the sun that's blinding" and generally commenting on her bright fashion sense. I'll do a Devil's Kind doodle and post it with my interpretation maybe tomorrow.

If I'd studied something writing related instead of photography I totally would have written about Green Day academically. They made it into my dissertation but it was only a brief mention :lol: I wrote a similar post about my interpretations of 21st Century Breakdown when I was younger, too, but I bet I'd find it embarrassing now. I should revisit it now I have more life experience.

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solongfromthestars

Double post but hey, I could be waiting a while for another post to separate them, so I'm going to post my Devil's Kind interpretation anyway :P

Devil's Kind

Summary: a new romance is compared to the devil because it's typically "sinful."

"Beer stains and cigarettes, the party is in my pocket" - two interpretations here. "Party is in my pocket" could mean an intimate party is dependant on the narrator and he's in control. Like the phrase "in your pocket" typically means being extremely close to, or dependant on, someone. It could also, as we've discussed, refer to cocaine (especially with the following "bump" line). If so, I think that whilst this "party" might literally involve drugs, it's also a metaphor for how high the subject makes him feel - "she was my last hurrah and always got me stoned."

"I'm looking for a drink and a couch to call my home / give me a bump and I will call" - drugs and alcohol could be giving the narrator the confidence to behave like "the devil's kind" with the subject or even approach her at all. It could also be the same metaphor as the previous line, asking the subject to get him drunk and high on her.

"And whisper dirty lies, the rapture in your ear and we'll both be terrified" - the couple are revelling in their "sin." Being "terrified" is like a high, or sarcastic because they're actually loving it. Or they could be doing things that do terrify them, but fired up by each other, they're up for it. I'd link this again to Wild One and Body Bag; how he's almost afraid of the subject because she's ruthless and so idealised by him.

"Bloodshot eyes and you're peppermint" - their eyes are bloodshot because they're up all night and partying (whether metaphorically or literally), but like peppermint is associated with lowered heart rate and blood pressure, the subject is like a cure for the narrator. Like taking ecstasy so you don't have to sleep. "We can roll like dogs from the devil" - they should be afraid of the devil, but instead in their sin they'll come close to him, only to roll like dogs without a care away.

"Give me one last try for your love tonight" - this isn't their first encounter and the narrator doesn't want it to last just one more night as fun, he actually wants her love. Reminds me yet again of Wild One and the note in the lyric book, "let's fall in love (just for an hour)." Really he wants more than just an hour's love, though.

"I'll be the king forever and you can be my sunshine" - to use a cliche, he'll be king of the subject's heart forever. Again, he wants her forever, not just now and he wants to leave a mark on her. In return, she'll be like his sunshine in the dark. I hadn't noticed that "sunshine" keeps coming up until Virginia Lot Lizzard pointed it out, but that's a really good observation. Her being like a cure or defender ("she's my sole/soul defender") is a recurring theme too. "We are the devil's kind" - they're the devil's kind of people because they're sinful. I think a lot of the implications of sin are subtly referring to sex. "And now I won't back down, I said I won't back down" - he won't give up on trying to win the subject's love.

"Take me into the water" - could refer to holy water or water as cleansing for his demons or sins; "and pull me from the slaughter" - the defender theme coming up again, like she's the only one who can pull him from negativity; "because I've got the shakes and I'm so petrified" - this time only he's petrified. The way it's sung is confident and assertive, but admitting this to her as if she's his comfort is quite vulnerable. Could be linked to "I've got the shakes but I'm alright" in Turn Me Loose, which is a bit of a heartbreaking comparison because at that point the relationship is over, but he's trying to insist he'll be alright anyway.

So that's that. I used a lot of the themes we've discussed here for the drawing, like the "sunshine" references and link to "dance forever, under the lights." The girl is loosely based on how I imagine the character in Wow! That's Loud and the guy on the young Perry Miller performing Devil's Kind in Ordinary World.

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Hermione

@solongfromthestars I love your analyses and drawings!

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DookieLukie

Cool drawings and essays. However, I'd argue that many of the songs are references to Billie's struggles with addiction, specifically "Chasing a Ghost" "Turn Me Loose" and "Soul Surrender." To me, these songs are pretty clearly referencing recovery from addiction.

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Beerjeezus

The way I understand the songs is closer to Lukie's, but a part of Longshot's charm is that they can be interpreted both ways and equally make sense.

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solongfromthestars

Yeah, I know quite a few people interpret them as being about recovery from addiction. It's weird, I don't get that from them at all. I can see references to it but I think they're generally used as metaphors. But as I've said many times, that's one of the reasons I love Billie's lyrics. They have so many layers they can be interpreted in completely different ways by different people. Like people play Good Riddance at funerals even though it was a "fuck off" song :lol:

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Rumpelstiltskin2000
32 minutes ago, solongfromthestars said:

Yeah, I know quite a few people interpret them as being about recovery from addiction. It's weird, I don't get that from them at all. I can see references to it but I think they're generally used as metaphors. But as I've said many times, that's one of the reasons I love Billie's lyrics. They have so many layers they can be interpreted in completely different ways by different people. Like people play Good Riddance at funerals even though it was a "fuck off" song :lol:

... and weddings :lol:

I definitely get the lost love vibe myself. I can see the drugs and alcohol references but as a recovering addict and knowing how Billie hasn't seemingly wanted to drag out his addiction struggles,  I  take them as metaphors. 

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jollyroger

I would definitely say they're more about addiction and bad women but I love when people take the time to decipher lyrics like this.

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Hermione

I think it's both! Like I agree with @solongfromthestars thoughts on Soul Surrender being about love, but I also think recovering from addiction (and the person he's in love with helping with that) is referred to as part of the same thing. He weaves lyrics about addiction in with lyrics about other things, and writes lyrics that are about both at once, and like @Rumpelstiltskin2000 said uses them as metaphors (and uses metaphors about them). It's all mixed together.

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The Bellie

Since you've invited me here (and thank you very much!) I'll give my thoughts on The Longshot songs too.

First I want to say that I haven't always tried to interpret every song for myself, sometimes I can't not interpret them and I get right away pictures in my head and ideas of their meanings, for other songs I'm not sure of what it means but don't even think of diving into a deep analysis, while I think I should end up doing it for the songs that I love the most (Walk Away is the first example I think of, it must be in my top 5 GD songs but I've never taken time to try and figure it out completely).

Second, I want to say that for my part, I'm not sure that Billie speaks of (or to) the same person throughout the trilogy and The Longshot. Surely there's a certain number of songs where he speaks of that ex-girlfriend (if there's no one else than Lady Cobra in that role for instance) but in some songs to me he speaks of Adrienne (Missing You for example) and in some others of Amanda (the eponymous song, and there could be others) and in some others I feel like you that there could be something of imaginary, because I don't know who he could be talking to (live Give it all to you "we could be together, a love that lasts forever", who would he want to be with forever if not Adrienne, but he's already with her, so it's mysterious :D But it's funny that there's often such mystery about his songs, we'll never get tired of interpreting them with endless variations). 

And great drawings, I love drawing too, I need to learn to draw Billie :wub:

I'll go for the color again in your post:

On 1/4/2019 at 9:54 PM, solongfromthestars said:

The Last Time

I think this one is pretty simple and doesn't need to be taken apart line by line, because it's all essentially saying the same thing. The narrator has upset his lover, they're giving him the silent treatment, he doesn't really understand why or if there's even a valid reason, but he's promising it'll be the last time in desperation to keep them. It's like a prequel to the following songs about lost love.

I think there is something interesting during the bridge: "I'll give you all my blood, till it's a waste of time (and live he changed "time" by another word I can't figure out :

https://youtu.be/w0rMFysFqXg?t=77) "if it's not good enough, you're always on my mind" like saying: if giving you all my blood is not good enough, the fact that you're always on my mind should be good enough". Someone who's the center of his thoughts (and for whom he'll give all his blood) would rather be Adrienne, I think he's talking to her in this song (and "but there's nobody home" : suggesting he's calling at his own home as well when trying to reach her).

Taxi Driver

Summary: a metaphorical song about jumping in a taxi to anywhere but here to escape his misery. It's frantic like actually trying to get an urgent taxi in New York City during rush hour.

If my interpretation of him speaking to Adrienne in the first song, and getting no response, is right, it would make sense that he wants to take a ride out of home next (going even further since he was already in a hotel room in The Last Time), that would be why he puts Taxi Driver in second on the album

"I got a suitcase in my hand, don't even know just where I am, so take me to my destination" - the narrator is carrying his emotional baggage, unsure where he even is in his mind and asking the metaphorical taxi driver to take him to a destination he doesn't even know. It's like literally running away with just a suitcase in his hand, not even knowing where he is in desperation to escape. I agree, it's like he lets the taxi driver decide of his destination "Don't want a ride, I need a lift, so drop me to the late night shift, somewhere out of your jurisdiction" - he doesn't want a ride, he just needs a lift to anywhere but here. "Late night shift" could refer to the musings and anxiety of sleepless nights. yeah, he wants something as remote and dangerous as possible

"Are we alone or are we all we've ever known? I hear "all we'll ever know", which is the same thing even rougher, as saying that feeling will never change Taxi driver, I'm rolling like a stone" - he's posing questions about life that a taxi driver could never answer, because in this moment, the taxi driver is everything as he takes him away from his misery. His thoughts are rolling like a stone and he feels like he's triumphantly rolling as he gets away. agree

"So take me down the motorway, the highway to another day, I hear "that I went to another day" suggesting he chooses where he wants to go after all, and he's going to somewhere he's already been, but with some mystery in it. It rejoins the theme of forbidden, like forbidden love I'll take the side street out of vision" - he's metaphorically out of town, on the highway to another day with the taxi driver he's expecting way too much of, taking the side street out of vision from the misery he's escaping. This may be reading way too much into simple word choices, but I like it - "motorway" is British English, "highway" is American English and the contrast feels representative of confusion and how far he'll go with this metaphorical taxi driver just to get away.

"Give me a sign, give me a home," asking the taxi driver, currently representative of fate to him agree, to give him a sign if what he's feeling is right and a home at the end of his journey; "damned if I do, damned if I don't" - damned if he stays and accepts his misery, damned if he doesn't because "oh taxi driver, what's the mission?" - he doesn't even know what he's doing or he knows there's something not right about it, or even that he'll find misery there too.

"I wanna get around, I wanna get a new ride, I gotta get along so when the hope comes I'm all go!" - he wants to be ready in case he suddenly finds the answer to all these questions he's asking about life, and in case hope for his situation to improve suddenly presents itself. That could be in the form of hope for his relationship working out, rediscovering love he's lost, or just for feeling better about life in general. It's funny, "get around" like avoiding something, then he wants "a new ride" like wanting change, or something refreshing, or another try with his relationship, or a new relationship. The last phrase feels sarcastic, "I gotta get along" presented like some means and not like a goal as such, as if he wants to conquer (or reconquer) someone and get there by getting along with that person, in case "hope" for a relationship comes : "so when the hope comes I'm all go!" while getting along with people, at first to me would be more like a goal, a pleasant and positive situation in itself, rather than a way to getting to something. Plus the way he says that he "has to" get along suggests it's not easy for him, it requires effort, so it would have seemed logical that he presented it as something he asks himself to do, but then he says it's only for the purpose of maybe starting out with someone, getting along for the sake of it is not what he wants.

As a total side note, hearing everyone scream "TAXI DRIVER!" in perfect unison when it was played live was really something. It isn't most people's favourite song but the crowds still responded like it was, like we were all on this crazy journey to be anywhere but where we were together. It wasn't my favorite song when the album came out, but seeing live indeed is great, you can see Billie's passion when he performs it, and the fact he led us to say that we came to the gig with a taxi is like leading us to realize how at that moment when you're driven by taxi to the gig that's so important for you, the taxi driver means everything to you :lol:

 

I'll continue later, don't have anymore time now!

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