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Closing down 'Words I Might Have Ate' forum in favor of blogs

Andres

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This is something the mod team has been talking about for months and I'm finally ready to do something about it. I feel that a lot of the 'Brink of your Vision' forums are now redundant with the introduction of Blogs earlier this year. This is a good place for people to have their work posted and viewed, and I believe it's much better than a thread inside a subforum. Why? Because your newest work is highlighted on the blogs homepage and on the board index, rather than hidden inside your own individual thread where it's much less likely to be seen.

The blogs have been a little more quiet than we hoped, but we also haven't done enough to highlight some quality blogs (something that we will be doing much more frequently very soon).

So we want to transition people over to the blogs from the 'Brink' forum, but we're going to try it out first with literature posts (lyrics, poems, stories, etc.) posted in "Words I Might Have Ate." We feel the Blog system works very well for written text (duh) and would fit the 'Words' forum best to start off. So we're going to make the 'Words' forum an archive, read-only place for 3 months before removing it. That should give people plenty of time to move the work they want over to the Blogs system.

I'm interested in making this change in the next week. First, we'd like some feedback from you guys just to make sure there isn't something we're overlooking in this change. If you have any concerns or suggestions, leave them below. Also, like this post if you think this is a good idea. I like knowing how active members feel about changes one way or the other.


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Undómiel

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Aww, no. I really preferred Words I Might Have Ate. :( I sort of feel like that and blogs should be kept as two separate things, I dunno if I really want to post things like stories on the front page. That's just me though, most people probably feel differently.

They can't see them unless they click onto your blog. No different to clicking onto your sub-thread, except it'll just be easier to find.

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Maria Gloria

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They can't see them unless they click onto your blog. No different to clicking onto your sub-thread, except it'll just be easier to find.

I know, I just like the idea of having a writing thread much better. But that's just my opinion.

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GreenDayBass

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I'm not really a huge fan of the upcoming change mainly because I don't really know how blogs actually work. I mean, I like the idea of having all the written work in a thread instead, mainly because I see it as more organized. If I were to transfer all my poetry into the blog section, how would that work? Would I have to create a new blog entry/poetry? I have at least 150+ and I'm not too certain that would work out very well as it could seem as if I'm spamming, though I do understand that it's basically transferring it over, which would make it seem less spammy.

I also get the impression that the reason why it's not as active as one would suggest is because there is a lack of interest in that area.

That could just be me though. I'm just not entirely sure about how I feel about the change cause I just like the idea of keeping it organized in a thread.

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Elena

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so if i understand it right we'll still have Word I Might Have Ate for about 3 months kinda like an Archive and can see all the posts in there but can't write in there and after those 3 months it's gonna be removed, right? hm...i think it's really enough time to write all those posts into a blog, but then all the answers would get lost...and what happens to the likes we all got for our work? (i really don't care much about those few likes i got, i'm just wondering :D)...but i think i could get used to the idea, though i love Words I Might Have Ate...

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Andres

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Obviously the Rep you received will stay on your account, you just won't be able to see those posts anymore after that period.

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Guest Honey Emerald

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I have not been able to make a blog, the button to make them does not show up on my page. So how is this supposed to be an improvement?

nm I just found the place to create a blog. I still do not like this idea though. The rules for blogs are different from the rules of Words I Might Have Ate.

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I think it'd be a good idea if we could get more people using the blogs.

Although, it's also easier to go in and find people's artwork and writing if there's a sub-forum just dedicated to people's work.

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GreenDayBass

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Why not keep certain threads instead of deleting all of them? I mean you could lock tbe active ones and move them to another section instead. Surely this will be better because we can keep the commenys in our thread? Meanwhile we can still use the blogs.

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Artificial Idiot

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What if we make the Words I Might Have Ate thread an archive so that way we can still have it but maybe it won't take up so much space?

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Guest Honey Emerald

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This is in the Blog Rules: "You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this Blog system to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented"

Poetry has nothing to do with accuracy or truth, it can be sexually oriented... I find the blog rules to be an infringement on creativity in poetic writing.

I also find it to be an infringment on creativity in the stories and lyrics people write in Words I Might Have Ate. Basicially , because of that rule, and forcing us to write in Blogs, you are saying that you do not want us to share any of our work with the forum anymore.

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For the rules we will probably just end up changing them to suit it. I don't see why the blogs should have those rules and the rest of the forum doesn't. The rules should be the same for both

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Andres

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Yeah those are just the default rules that come with Invision. We could change them easily to match the rest of the forum.

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I always wanted to start a blog here, but i often update my blog on wordpress very late..

I dont know closing down WIMHA will be good or bad for me but I might end up starting a blog on here soon :P

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Maria Gloria

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This saddens me. My lyrics thread here has been the highlight of my entire memborship at GDC - it's the first time I became confident with my writing, and have had some great feedback and discussions on there.

Also, on the WIMHA forum, the majority of the threads are made by lyric writers. I already have my own blog (on blogspot.com), and it's a lot different to updating a thread with a new set of lyrics. You can't really have a proper discussion in a comments section, either.

Very well said... kind of what I was trying to say but couldn't think how to phrase it.

I'm probably really annoying and rambling pointlessly, but I just want to share a few examples why a writing thread was a cool thing to have.

When I was sending my first novel off, I was able to post random bits like my covering letter in my writing thread and have a casual discussion about it with the people who enjoy my writing. I know people will just say "but you can do that on a blog" - well, I personally wouldn't do it anyway. It's just not the kind of thing that's suitable for a comments discussion or a blog in general.

I've actually noticed a massive improvement in my writing since I opened my writing thread. It's been great to get feedback, advice and new opinions, and to be able to just post random chapters or something like that letter whenever I want, so I can get the feedback I need to continue with the next part. Sure I don't have the biggest interest level in the world, but I'm happy with it and my readers are awesome.

I know I'll keep the audience, but none of that would be the same in a blog. I'll end up having to update all my readers by PM if they're still interested in my novels, because a blog just isn't right for that stuff.

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Thank you everyone for your feedback. As Andres said we want all your opinions before going ahead and closing it. I myself would just like to go ahead and highlight a few things that have been said.

A main reason for wanting to switch WIMHA to here is because the blogs aren't used as much as we'd like to. If it doesn't get enough activity we may have to pull it off the site. We're trying to encourage to start using this place to many different things from concert reviews to their writings to even just their day-to-day life.

For people who haven't noticed, blogs can be followed just like any thread on the forum so anyone who likes your blog can be updated just as easily as a thread is. Also with having a blog for each bit of writing, it gives people a chance to look back on your older work, comment on what they thought of it then and add any other comments about what they want to

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Elena

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Obviously the Rep you received will stay on your account, you just won't be able to see those posts anymore after that period.

ah ok, thanks for clarifying :happy:

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GreenDayBass

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I just don't understand why you're wanting to pull the plug on an entire section of forum when the main reason is because a new feature isn't as used as much as you'd like it to be used. That's like moving the contents of a skyscraper to a bungalow just because it's a new build. Why not just promote the blogs?

I'm sure we understand what a blog is and what it can do, but what I'm trying to say is that the majority of active threads aren't going to transfer very well.

Especially this. I don't understand why it has to be WIMHA, when it could just as easily be a different section. Sure it's easy to transfer the work over, but how do you know exactly that it will raise interest in blogging? I IMO it's all dependent on if there is actually an interest in the writing the person has created, not for the blog itself. What I'm saying is that there probably isn't an interest in blogging because people don't have an interest in it - I mean if there was, I'm certain people would be using blogs by now with their poetry/novels/stories by now.

Why not just have the blogs for writers an optional thing for those who are actually interested in it instead of making it mandatory?

I know it won't really be the same, but I would rather prefer a thread for this. However, I am willing to try it out and see how it goes from there. Maybe it won't be so bad, maybe it will. I honestly don't know, but I'm just saying I would prefer to keep WIMHA.

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GreenRanger

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Other than the moving issue...which I really do understand for people who want to keep all the old comments and their work in one place, I really still don't see much of a difference between threads and blogs. I mean yeah, it makes it seem less discussion-oriented and I can see where that'd feel weird since comment sections are kind of infamous places and the same notifications that apply to threads don't yet apply to blogs so it might be easy to miss something. Plus, blogs aren't clearly labeled as "A place for you to post your original writing" so it might not be as easy for a new person to find and use the blog function properly.

But on the other hand, a lot of the resentment of the switch is coming from sentimentality/nostalgia stuff. I'm a little biased on that issue, so I'm not gonna go on about it.

Gotta give it to Andres and the Mods though...they could be Facebook and just make the change on us without asking. That's right: GDC- run better than Facebook. Also, consider that news posts like this where us GDCers are asked to sound off on changes going on in the forum used to be something done in threads, and the discussion seems to be going just fine here.

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Andres

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The main problem I see is that we currently have two things that are for the same thing. I think having two options detracts from the value of what one or the other could be. I don't feel like 'Words' was ever really popular enough on it's own. To be totally honest, I don't understand the concern for the change in format. Blogs allow you to highlight your work better. Your words are the highlight of a blog. In a thread, your words are on equal footing to a comment about your work, and it's all jumbled together in one giant place, where it's less likely someone can stumble across your work.

I understand the concerns you guys are bringing up. Here's what I'd like to do - we're going to enable this for the 3 month period where 'Words' is archive only. During that time we'll continue to evaluate how things are working out. If it's clearly going in the wrong direction, we can talk again about reverting to the way it was. But I have felt for a while we needed to make an improvement with this content, and I think this is a step in the right direction. I'd ask you guys to try it out first. If you're skeptical and don't want to move over all your work, then there's no rush in doing it. You have plenty of time to post new material see how it all works, give feedback on how it could improve, then in a month or so, you can decide how you want save your previous work.

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BeachBum

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When Andres first mentioned the idea to change WIMHA over to the blog section, I wasn't completely for it. It just felt like is was completely separate to the forum... which in a way it is, but after thinking about it most of that feeling was coming from the fact that it simply is not as frequented as the rest of the forum. Regardless I was not totally for it, but I did promise to try it out.

Now having tried the blog system out, I'm for the change. It's not that different then posting in the threads, I find it to be better and far more organized. I use it for Art work but a lot of the features that I love about the blogs system I think will be equally beneficial to those who post written works.

Your work is the highlight of the post

This I was not a fan of at first, though to be honest I not sure why. I guess I was a little worried about comments. But I have to say not having to scroll though a messy thread to look for my work or comments related to a certain work is nice, and much simpler. The main focus becomes the writer's/ artist's work, while a discussion can still take place in the comment section for each post without the users work getting lost in a mess of comments. (What might be a nice addition is an over all comment section to make comments on the blog as a whole.)

Categories

I fucking LOVE this feature. I am a photographer and an artist and I can not tell you how much I hate having photography and my art mixed into one thread. The categories is a wonderful way to have them somewhat separated, yet still in one blog. Now this is something that I can see working for writers as a way to sort your work through themes, lyrics, short stories, ect. Those who write a novel can create a category with the stories titles and post the chapters in the category.

Recent Posts

Not too much to say about this, other then it makes finding a certain post by the creator sooooooo much easier.

As I said my thoughts. I would honestly give the blog system a try you might find you actually like it. I personally still keep my thread updated along with my blog, for the simple fact that most who use that forum don't visit the blog section as of yet.

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BeachBum

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So, to avoid cluttering everything up, can I add posts (like old lyrics) without them appearing on the main page?

They will still appear on the main page at first, as it is a "new" post. Perhaps but them all in one or two posts and indicate that they are older posts for each section. I did that to kinda move everything over that already existed in the thread, I saw it a a clean simple way to have it there but still kinda start fresh. But it is up to you have you want to post it all.

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captain peroxide

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Because sharing my writing with the forum was something I really enjoyed (enjoy, rather), I think I'll take full advantage of the blogs now that these changes are definitely going ahead. It's only fair to try them out at the fullest before making a decision about whether or not they're right for me.

That is a classy attitude. I like you. Thanks for giving the new system a chance.

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