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kittenslayer
This is what they are really like during world war 2...

Between December 1937 and March 1938 one of the worst massacres in modern times took place. Japanese troops captured the Chinese city of Nanjing and embarked on a campaign of murder, rape and looting.

Based on estimates made by historians and charity organisations in the city at the time, between 250,000 and 300,000 people were killed, many of them women and children.

The number of women raped was said by Westerners who were there to be 20,000, and there were widespread accounts of civilians being hacked to death....

Japanese papers reported competitions among junior officers to kill the most Chinese.

There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today
Minnie Vautrin
US woman in Nanjing

One Japanese newspaper correspondent saw lines of Chinese being taken for execution on the banks of the Yangtze River, where he saw piles of burned corpses.

Photographs from the time, now part of an exhibition in the city, show Japanese soldiers standing, smiling, among heaps of dead bodies.

Tillman Durdin of the New York Times reported the early stages of the massacre before being forced to leave.

He later wrote: "I was 29 and it was my first big story for the New York Times. So I drove down to the waterfront in my car. And to get to the gate I had to just climb over masses of bodies accumulated there."

"The car just had to drive over these dead bodies. And the scene on the river front, as I waited for the launch... was of a group of smoking, chattering Japanese officers overseeing the massacring of a battalion of Chinese captured troops."

"They were marching about in groups of about 15, machine-gunning them."

As he departed, he saw 200 men being executed in 10 minutes to the apparent enjoyment of Japanese military spectators.

He concluded that the rape of Nanjing was "one of the great atrocities of modern times"....



A Christian missionary, John Magee, described Japanese soldiers as killing not only "every prisoner they could find but also a vast number of ordinary citizens of all ages".

"Many of them were shot down like the hunting of rabbits in the streets," he said.

After what he described as a week of murder and rape, the Rev Magee joined other Westerners in trying to set up an international safety zone.

Another who tried to help was an American woman, Minnie Vautrin, who kept a diary which has been likened to that of Anne Frank.

Her entry for 16 December reads: "There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from the language school [where she worked] last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night - one of the girls was but 12 years old."

Later, she wrote: "How many thousands were mowed down by guns or bayoneted we shall probably never know. For in many cases oil was thrown over their bodies and then they were burned."

"Charred bodies tell the tales of some of these tragedies. The events of the following ten days are growing dim. But there are certain of them that lifetime will not erase from my memory and the memories of those who have been in Nanjing through this period."

Minnie Vautrin suffered a nervous breakdown in 1940 and returned to the US. She committed suicide in 1941.

Also horrified at what he saw was John Rabe, a German who was head of the local Nazi party.

He became leader of the international safety zone and recorded what he saw, some of it on film, but this was banned by the Nazis when he returned to Germany.

He wrote about rape and other brutalities which occurred even in the middle of the supposedly protected area.....

After the Second World War was over, one of the Japanese soldiers who was in Nanjing spoke about what he had seen.

Japanese soldier in Nanjing
Japanese troops showed little mercy

Azuma Shiro recalled one episode: "There were about 37 old men, old women and children. We captured them and gathered them in a square."

"There was a woman holding a child on her right arm... and another one on her left."

"We stabbed and killed them, all three - like potatoes in a skewer. I thought then, it's been only one month since I left home... and 30 days later I was killing people without remorse."

Mr Shiro suffered for his confession: "When there was a war exhibition in Kyoto, I testified. The first person who criticized me was a lady in Tokyo. She said I was damaging those who died in the war."

"She called me incessantly for three or four days. More and more letters came and the attack became so severe... that the police had to provide me with protection."

Such testimony, however, has been discounted at the highest levels in Japan.

Former Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano denied that the massacre had occurred, claiming it was a Chinese fabrication.

Professor Ienaga Saburo spent many years fighting the Japanese government in the courts with only limited success for not allowing true accounts of Japanese war atrocities to be given in school textbooks.

There is also opposition to the idea among ordinary Japanese people. A film called Don't Cry Nanjing was made by Chinese and Hong Kong film-makers in 1995 but it was several years before it was shown in Japan...







The worst thing about Japan is, they refuse to accept they commited these crimes today, they even refuse to teach about it in their school text books. I don't see Germany trying to deny the holocaust...

Bastards mad.gif mad.gif
Amanda
My friend Jim (kind of my adopted grandad) was a prisoner of the Japanese from 1941 to 1945.
If the Americans hadn't dropped the atom bombs he wouldn't be alive today, he's 87 next month.

There are many evil stories in this world, moggymurderer dear, maybe the next topic you make will be something nice and positive ?
celeryeater
^ I doubt it, He's The Slayer by name, The Slayer by nature. tongue.gif

And Xiao Chen, I agree with you. There's no such thing as honour in war.
kittenslayer
THE SLAYER DON'T POST CUTE AND NICE THINGS!!! tongue.gif
Amanda
QUOTE(kittenslayer @ Sep 28 2006, 10:56 PM) [snapback]1411084[/snapback]

THE SLAYER DON'T POST CUTE AND NICE THINGS!!! tongue.gif

does he save them all for his personal messages ?
i have GD addiction
well, heres some info
i lived in japan. i'm half japanese. japan is very sorry for what they did, but did you know chinese still asks for money and supplies from japan for free by saying "you guys should be sorry for wat u did" and some other crap. that was before, japan is sorry. theres some bad things about china too, they dont forgive
kittenslayer
QUOTE(i have GD addiction @ Sep 28 2006, 10:05 PM) [snapback]1411101[/snapback]

well, heres some info
i lived in japan. i'm half japanese. japan is very sorry for what they did, but did you know chinese still asks for money and supplies from japan for free by saying "you guys should be sorry for wat u did" and some other crap. that was before, japan is sorry. theres some bad things about china too, they dont forgive

There is no official apology from the Japanese goverment, your school's text books refuse to put that part of history in it. Many Japanese scholars are trying to deny Japan's wrong doings in the war. People in Japan making documentries about the nanjing massacre gets in trouble from the public.

QUOTE(Adeline @ Sep 28 2006, 09:57 PM) [snapback]1411087[/snapback]

does he save them all for his personal messages ?

I don't know what you are talking about!!! shhhhh tongue.gif
stems&seeds
QUOTE(Adeline @ Sep 28 2006, 06:07 AM) [snapback]1410217[/snapback]

My friend Jim (kind of my adopted grandad) was a prisoner of the Japanese from 1941 to 1945.
If the Americans hadn't dropped the atom bombs he wouldn't be alive today, he's 87 next month.

There are many evil stories in this world, moggymurderer dear, maybe the next topic you make will be something nice and positive ?

so glad that more than 100,000 people could die to save your granpa

QUOTE(Adeline @ Sep 28 2006, 05:57 PM) [snapback]1411087[/snapback]

does he save them all for his personal messages ?

QUOTE(kittenslayer @ Sep 28 2006, 06:34 PM) [snapback]1411134[/snapback]

I don't know what you are talking about!!! shhhhh tongue.gif


ewwww, get a room
Sugar Demon
QUOTE(stems&seeds @ Sep 29 2006, 06:56 AM) [snapback]1412211[/snapback]

so glad that more than 100,000 people could die to save your granpa


Hey, don't blame grandpa. He didn't start it. And the 100,000 that died did so needlessly because the Japanese military refused to take our warning seriously. We told them days before that we possessed a new, devastatingly powerful weapon that would kill on a massive scale.

Even after we dropped the second bomb, the Japanese military brass wanted to fight on. The emperor overruled them and made a record (two actually) to be played over Japanese radio telling his countrymen that they were going to surrender the next day. It was pretty wierd because the emperor's voice had never been heard by his people. They weren't even allowed to look on his face. He (and emperors before him) were considered living gods. Some senior officers in the Japanese military tried to stage a coup, storm the palace and take the emperor hostage, but in a rare twist of fate, the US military staged a nighttime bombing raid over Tokyo just at the EXACT time these hundreds of Japanese soldiers were going to do it, so there was a immediate blackout in the city and the soldiers couldn't see anything because it was a pitch black night. So they couldn't take the palace compound and the few hundred guards that protected the palace.

True story.
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