Yeah. I think if you eat fish you can't call yourself a vegetarian.

i wasent arguing but i could if u wanted me to

Man I'd love a bit of salmon right about now. *drool*

I'm eating a drumstick

I don't care what you eat. Eat the whole damn Pacific Ocean for all I care. I just don't like people who call themselves vegetarians but eat fish.

Well thats great, because i'm not a vegatarian.

Don't deny that tastiness of catfish.

I don't have anything against you eating fish.

Is that slow enough for you all?

Down to my speed

It's all about the fish not showing as much emotion as other animals to some vegetarians, which goes against everything they're meant to stand for, but whatever.

Huh

I thought the post made sense...

I'm just confused how animals can show emotion towards a person.

I don't care if they eat fish. They just aren't vegetarians.

You took the words out of my mouth, except you spell better. That was beautiful. The bottom line is that God does have a plan for us, a GOOD plan, but by following our own self will, we delay, or delinquish that plan. About bad things happening as discipline. Here is my personal example. I am an alcoholic. For years God was trying to guide me on the right path, but I didn't listen. It was easier and more gratifying to drink and get a buzz. Or so I thought. I continued on my reackless, self destructive, self-sabotaging life for many years, refusing to give in and surrender to Gods will. Finally, it took a pretty severe consequense(hitting a parked car while under the influence) to make me willing to turn my will and my life over to the care of God and sober up. What at first seemed like a horrific, humiliating, frightfull event, was indeed a Blessing from God that would lead me to sobriety and a life of faith. Sometimes God speaks softly to us, sometimes he needs to bang us over the head. I'm just grateful I found him in time. For my old ways were killing me, and my family.

Can't eat pork.
Not even with a fork.

...

Mad rhymes skillz.

Are you finally unconfused about my vegetarian/vegan status?

That was really well said.
But i don't believe in it.

NO. You said you were vegan again on the last page, you're messing with my mind, maaan. D:

Okay, I'm essentially vegan. I don't ever eat meat under any circumstances, I substitute milk with soymilk, I don't ever wear anything from animal skins.

It's just that if someone is making something with cheese in it or something, I'll just eat it. And I don't check to see if the hydroclycerinatarinalliumide in the Poptarts comes from cow feet. It's too much work for someone who is constantly eating.

I just say "vegan" because I am very, very close and if I said "vegetarian" people would just assume meat is the only thing I don't consume.

No. They are pecsovegetarians.

That's so ridiculous. It makes as much sense as saying "I smoke only lites, I'm a non-smoker"

I know. It's somewhat amusing though.

Pescatarian, I believe, is the actual term for it.

^^^^I could never go vegan

To me, that doesn't really constitute vegan. I can understand if you just say that for practicality reasons, but like you say about how you don't like people who eat fish calling themselves vegetarian, I'm not too keen on people who eat animal products calling themselves vegan. I don't mean to offend you or come across all vegangelical or anything, and I think it's great that you're doing something, but to call yourself vegan and still eat and use (I'm kind of guessing you don't bother with checking ingredients on shampoo and shit, correct me if I'm wrong) animal products tends to detract from the message of veganism, and full vegans just end up getting asked more stupid questions about whether they'll eat something if it's just got milk IN it.

I don't know if you're planning to go further with it, but what you're talking about sounds more like what I termed my “transition vegan” stage, because I thought it sounded cool (I'm a dork ) and it got the word “vegan” in there, so people would have some vague idea of what I was on about. Admittedly it didn't last too long, I don't know why but I found the transition from vegetarian to vegan pretty easy. It's just the inconvenience of checking ingredients that bugs me, but I get a mega-chuffed feeling when I find something vegan (I repeat, I'm a dork. ).

I accept that switching is different for everyone, I'm guessing that you, unlike me, actually like eggs and dairy. I always found them pretty gross, I hated the feeling of eating all that fat, and cheese and eggs particularly disgusted me, I just thought they stank and I never ate them because I'd just wanna be sick. So during my vegetarianism I was probably nearly as vegan as you are now, since I never put eggs or cheese in any of my meals and didn't like shit like cream or even yoghurt, although spinnily enough I love the soya yoghurt I've tried.

So yeah, it's probably a lot harder for you than it was to me. But you've got to remember what you're doing this for. If you don't stick to your principles then it weakens the message. People will just think that animal agriculture can't be that bad if even the guy who calls himself vegan will eat animal products.

I feel like I'm coming down too harshly on you now. I don't mean to, it's just I want to get straight the reasons I have against you calling yourself vegan. But seriously, I think it's great that you're making some kind of active change, and anything you can do to limit your use of animal products is brilliant. And if you ever do wanna go the whole way, I will support you all the way and give you lots of vegan luff. <3

Woah.

Egg and chips please, love.

Not all vegetarians are vegetarians because of animal rights, though. I have a friend who is a vegetarian because meat makes her sick. She didn't eat much meat growing up because meat is expensive and her family had financial problems, but even though they can afford it now, it still makes her sick and she prefers to stay away.

I also know of vegetarians at school who eat meat once a month to get the necessary proteins and such.

And then I know of partial vegetarians, like my mom, who become sick to their stomach at the thought of animals being slaughtered for food, but will still eat poultry..... ONLY if she knows it was free-range or whatever.

I think it's ridiculous to force a label on people and then criticize them for not being exactly how the label says they should be.

OMG UR GOTHIX BUT U WORE PINK 2DAY UR NOT A REAL GOTH!!!1211!!111 I R BETTER GOTH THAN U!111!1

Stop being elitist and thinking your lifestyle is the only right way or is better than another person's. Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do. [this was not aimed at Jillie, by the way. This was for everyone who is bashing "pseudo vegetarians"]

I totally agree with you on it

I don't like labels, we are free to walk thru things and then just change day by day if we want.

I've been bashed over the head by God quite a few times... It's often a very rude awakening, but at the same time, like in your case, it can also be a very life-saving awakening.

I'm glad he's helped you get out of that and I read earlier in this thread, I believe, that sometimes you still have trouble resisting temptation. A verse that keeps me strong is Philippians 4:13. "I can do EVERYTHING through HIM who gives me STRENGTH" [words in caps just to emphasize ]. I've sort of adopted this verse as my life verse and it gives me strength when I feel I have none- to overcome odds, to resist temptation, and to pursue my dreams.

Also, it's a comforting thought to know that God will never tempt someone more than what they can handle... I don't remember if that's a verse or what, but I've held onto that thought for quite a while.

You seem to be very strong in your faith, and may God bless you for that

It's not a criticism of the person's habits. You can eat as much meat as you want, it doesn't matter to me at all. I just think words should keep thier meaning.

It would be ridiculous to start coming up with new words for every minor difference, though. If someone wants to call themselves a vegetarian but then explain the differences between their lifestyle and the typical vegetarian lifestyle, then they shouldn't be judged for that. I mean, look how you're being corrected on your use of the term "vegan". You explained the difference in your lifestyle from typical vegans and you were corrected and told you were wrong. So by doing the same to vegetarians with different lifestyles, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Thank you. We seem to speak the same language, at least on this issue. I have heard both of those verses, but it is good to hear them again. I found the verse you are referring to: " No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man;but God is faithful, He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of excape, that you may be able to bear it". 1 Corinthians 10:13. I just read this recently in my book "The Power of a Praying Parent", in reference to resisting the temptation of drugs and alcohol. I find so much strength in scripture.

I never called myself a vegan though, I just said "essentially vegan".

I don't want to argue with you, it's not a big deal anyway.

If I'm coming off as argumentative, then I apologize. I'm not looking for a fight. I'm just trying to ease back all the general ferocity with labels and whatnot.





That's the verse I was looking for! Wow, thanks a bunch *writes it down for future reference*

I used to fight with the use of Scripture so much when I initially got into Christianity. I thought it was outdated, difficult to read, and inapplicable to my life. I was forced into a lot of bible study through my private schooling, and I'm still slightly reluctant to say that I'm grateful for it But it did come in handy in a lot of ways, because I, too, find strength in scripture

Ooh, you little fibber.

Sorry. <3

go for it

Percy has that poster on his side of the room

You all make me believe in Satan.

I see what you mean; essentially, a vegetarian is someone who doesn't eat meat. But saying that you're a pescetarian is like cutting the corners or something.

I can understand it more if someone doesn't eat meat because they don't like the taste or whatever.....but if you choose not to eat it because you don't agree with animals being slaughtered, then you're bordering hypocrisy while chomping on your fish.

And saying that you need your omega 3 oils is a bit of a copout; supplements are at hand.


But that's just me. I eat meat, so it doesn't really bother me that much.

Jesus was a black man.

well since i'm a Uniterian Universalist, i'm kinda allowed to believe in anything i want but i choose to just beleive in a greater force but nothing much else. cuz i came to the conclusion that how can u really beleive in one thing and not the other? like this: what makes you so sure that Jesus was the son of God when you werent there at the time? how can u believe the Ramayana actually happened when it took place long long time ago? its kinda like a guessing game for most people cuz you cant really"know" what is true and what is false. and most of the time its jst passed down through your family and youre just born into a religion and are raised thinking that this must be right. thats why i just choose to beleive in an greater force that controls us all and thats it.

My entire family is Muslim, and I respect their religion and all that jazz, but I'd be a huge hypocrite if I called myself one, really.

I'm not so sure what I really am, to be honest.
I do believe in some sort of supreme being, although, God must be a really sadistic being.
I mean, he subjects people to all this shit, sits back and waits to see how they'll react all the while saying "oh, let's see you get out of this one, motherfucker."
It's actually pretty sick, my lack of belief, because I'm supposed to believe in something.

And plus, the whole Judgement/Heaven/Hell thing really is strange, because if God is indeed All-Knowing, All-Seeing, and if there is such a thing as predestination (the belief that everything has been pre-decided or whatever) than it's not even a person's fault if they sin.
God created the person, he allowed him to do something bad ... like lie (if he's all powerful, than shouldn't he have the power to stop us from even thinking of lying), he knew he was going to lie, and then he says we've sinned, and expects us to be remorse-ful.
I guess I understand well enough, that it's all a test, and it's up to a person to show the supposed God that he's worth going to Paradise, but still.
I don't know how to explain it.
I think I'm just basically really confused and fucked.

Good for you for being real to yourself. There are so many people who just call themselves a religion because their parents believe it and they've never thought about it. Not being sure isn't a bad thing, it's human and we all are unsure whether we want to admit it or not. That goes for all religions and it goes for atheists too.

Watch this, only 30 seconds long, http://youtube.com/watch?v=0fXm3Ivgr04

Pretty much sums it up.

You don't have to believe in anything just because you think you are "supposed" to. You should believe in something if and when you are ready to. You are being very honest with yourself, and others, and that is a good thing. I don't think it is "sick" that you lack faith. You just haven't decided what to have faith in. You bring up alot of good questions.

Christianity believes that God created us in his image, but with free will to make choices in our lives. We choose to do good or evil. God doesn't make us do anything, but He desires us to be called to Him, to be more like Him, to walk with Him. In other words, to do the next right thing (WWJD). Satan tempts us to do evil( lie for example). I do believe God has a plan for me. It is up to me to stay obediant in my faith and endure the crosses in my life to live out that plan. God doesn't promise us an easy road free from illness, tragedy, sadness etc.. It is how we deal with and grow from adversity and trials in our lives that make us stronger. Most times people have to experience something awful in their lives before they look for faith in someone or something.

And sometimes it just reaffirms the belief that a higher spirit isn't there.

I found this in search of the religion thread.

God our search engine sucks major black cock.

Anyways, at this point I have established myself as a deist, which is a big change for me. Don't ask me how I came to that conclusion, basically many hours of thinking got me to it. I'm still 0% religious.