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FJ
QUOTE(midlfecrysis @ Dec 22 2007, 10:04 PM) *
I think we finally agree on something. You intentionally tried to piss me off, and I doubt you are sorry.

I doubt he's sorry to you, because even I find you really, really fucking annoying, and I've only read your posts.
Relavar
John FJ is amazing.
FJ
QUOTE(Relavar @ Dec 22 2007, 10:26 PM) *
John FJ is amazing.

Yeah, I know. [/modesty]
BassChick_GD
these discussions make my head spin pinch.gif
there's no point in bantering about it because there's no way to prove an theory right or wrong. Just believe and leave it at that.
FilmAdaptation
QUOTE(FJ @ Dec 22 2007, 05:35 PM) *
Yeah, I know. [/modesty]

You never opened your [modesty] tag, silly. It'll never work without it!
rootbeersoup
Everyone stop hatin on midlfecrysis... She's my new friend!
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(goodday @ Dec 22 2007, 04:18 PM) *
I know some people that have the same opinon that John about 'god', but this god is 'one' of the gods we know.... God/gods/goddess/religions are created by men, with influence of different societies, cultures and ages. So is really difficult to define God and even to find some 'logical' to how he/she acts. I know you are talking about the catholics' god, I guess.
God/gods/goddess are a result of many things, so I believe that people have their own gods in some way hehe.... what is important is the faith they have on it and how it moves their lifes. Other day I recomended to someone a book really interesting about it, called " Belief or Nonbelief?: A Dialogue" by Umberto Eco.
Here you have a really good review about the book:
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/review_belief.html


To be honest, I'm sort of alright with Catholics. I was raised as such, and while I disagree with some of their views, it's an alright Church that has more recently had a decent influence on the world. Of course their history is fucked up, but that's a lot to say with everyone.

The kind of Christians I dislike (who worship the kind of god I ranted about earlier) are the Evangelicals, the extremist American protestants. Those people piss me off, especially Calvinists. Catholics I'm alright with though to a degree.
FJ
QUOTE(FilmAdaptation @ Dec 22 2007, 11:23 PM) *
You never opened your [modesty] tag, silly. It'll never work without it!

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OH NOEZ! My 1337 skillz have failed me!!!111! HAXORZ B HATIN ON me NOW!!11!!7,325.43!!!

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anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(midlfecrysis @ Dec 22 2007, 05:04 PM) *
I think we finally agree on something. You intentionally tried to piss me off, and I doubt you are sorry.


Not to you. You are still a self-righteous, pity-seeking, "feel sorry for me cause I have a 'disease'" person.
**nobodylikesyou**
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 05:45 PM) *
. Catholics I'm alright with though to a degree.

Because many of the Catholics dont follow or believe what their religion stands for? Too wrapped up in the rituals?

QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 05:46 PM) *
Not to you. You are still a self-righteous, pity-seeking, "feel sorry for me cause I have a 'disease'" person.

Leave her alone, she never asked you or anyone to feel sorry for her. She was just stating a fact. She has just as much a right to post whatever she wants.
And I would much rather listen to her than to listen to your bullcrap all the time.
Evil Angel
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 04:16 PM) *
Just think of the kind of personality "God" has.

He creates people, for what, we don't know, apparently "just because". And then he decides what is right and wrong. And he decides it in such a way that everyone will eventually do wrong. And then he says he's going to send us to a place where we will suffer for all of eternity because of that, something we had no control over. But wait, he's going to save us now. By letting people kill his son, he's going to save us. Even though he's god, and he doesn't need Jesus to save us, he can do it on his own, he's God, God can do whatever the fuck he wants to do. But he chooses to let his son suffer for us, that's apparently the only way in his mind. And then he says we have to believe in him, knowing that every human thinks differently, and knowing that not everyone will even have a chance to learn about this religion. And the majority end up suffering in hell forever. We're all tools in a bet between God and Satan, who can get the most souls.

Totally agree.

But since no one who supposedly saw the miracles he supposedly performed is still alive, no one will ever know, so I think everyone should stop fighting over it and not shove it down everybody's throat.
But you know, whatever. It's kind of fun to watch.
FJ
QUOTE(Evil Angel @ Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM) *
But you know, whatever. It's kind of fun to watch.

You need to get out more. tongue.gif
Evil Angel
QUOTE(FJ @ Dec 22 2007, 08:27 PM) *
You need to get out more. tongue.gif

Hey, I leave my house about two times a week, so ha!


Help me crying.gif
FJ
QUOTE(Evil Angel @ Dec 23 2007, 12:42 AM) *
Hey, I leave my house about two times a week, so ha!
Help me crying.gif

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anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(**nobodylikesyou** @ Dec 22 2007, 07:15 PM) *
Because many of the Catholics dont follow or believe what their religion stands for? Too wrapped up in the rituals?


Because (some) Catholics try to make the world a little better, unlike a lot of other Christians who are okay with being a shitty person all the time because they know they're "saved".
Evil Angel
QUOTE(FJ @ Dec 22 2007, 08:51 PM) *
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Used Illusion
Although there are many religious people i believe it to be crazy that people register to a particular religious group as no one person has identical beliefs to another... therefore why do we go under no lables but on 'An Individual'
**nobodylikesyou**
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 06:56 PM) *
Because (some) Catholics try to make the world a little better, unlike a lot of other Christians who are okay with being a shitty person all the time because they know they're "saved".

you gotta be kidding me??

you know your answer just goes to show, you dont know jack shit about other religions. There are many people from many different religions that do wonderful things to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, there are many people from those same religions including Catholics that are are crappy people.

For the record, most people that believe they are saved dont believe they have a free pass to heaven.
Just like many Catholics believe the more good works they do means they will get into heaven.
Neither of those are true. You have to try to live a good life and you have to be truly sorry for your sins. Doesnt mean you can keep knowingly doing the same stuff over and over again and keep saying oops sorry and not mean it, or say please forgive me I am saved or I have done 721358 good things so I am good.. confused.gif
rootbeersoup
QUOTE(**nobodylikesyou** @ Dec 22 2007, 07:03 PM) *
you gotta be kidding me??

you know your answer just goes to show, you dont know jack shit about other religions. There are many people from many different religions that do wonderful things to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, there are many people from those same religions including Catholics that are are crappy people.

For the record, people that believe they are saved dont believe they have a free pass to heaven.
Just like many Catholics believe the more good works they do means they will get into heaven.
Neither of those are true. You have to try to live a good life and you have to be truly sorry for your sins. Doesnt mean you can keep knowingly doing the same stuff over and over again and keep saying oops sorry and not mean it, or say please forgive me I am saved or I have done 721358 good things so I am good.. confused.gif


My priest told me people go to heaven because they truly want to be there. So I've been painting the town red with my sins and I'll go to heaven anyway.

But srsly, bad pplz go to hell because that's where they truly want to be. God would never shun someone and damn them to hell.
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(**nobodylikesyou** @ Dec 22 2007, 08:03 PM) *
you gotta be kidding me??

you know your answer just goes to show, you dont know jack shit about other religions. There are many people from many different religions that do wonderful things to make the world a better place. Unfortunately, there are many people from those same religions including Catholics that are are crappy people.

For the record, people that believe they are saved dont believe they have a free pass to heaven.
Just like many Catholics believe the more good works they do means they will get into heaven.
Neither of those are true. You have to try to live a good life and you have to be truly sorry for your sins. Doesnt mean you can keep knowingly doing the same stuff over and over again and keep saying oops sorry and not mean it, or say please forgive me I am saved or I have done 721358 good things so I am good.. confused.gif


I have been raised as a Catholic, spent 3 years in a Lutheran school, been many times to my friend's Presbyterian church, and put up with my grandma's Pentacostal preaching all my life, not to mention my friend Alvin's constant Baptist conversion attempts. Yeah, I'm well rounded thank you very much.

Despite the fact that I am agnostic and quite unreligious, I occassionally step up to defend the Catholic Church. Why? I really don't know. Maybe because I just hate stupid stereotypes, maybe because I feel enraged when I hear bullshit.

Catholics don't believe your good works get you anywhere. They also believe in faith. What they believe however is that good works are a reflection of faith. Because the fact is, that if you're going to be a shitty person all the time, your faith doesn't exist. You can't claim something you don't follow.
anarchistloserkid
Just like a Manson lyric "I never really hated the one true god but the god of the people I hated". I really feel that way. If there's some god out there then I really can't blame him for all my problems either. Just fucking right-wing, money-loving, the "pro-life pro-war", and their god is a false god that I will continue to tear down.

I don't know what's out there. If there is a god then it's beyond my understanding and I just can hope that god sees what I see. I have a gift for free-thinking, either from nature or from God, and despite my problems I think I'm a good person.
goodday
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 09:45 PM) *
To be honest, I'm sort of alright with Catholics. I was raised as such, and while I disagree with some of their views, it's an alright Church that has more recently had a decent influence on the world. Of course their history is fucked up, but that's a lot to say with everyone.

The kind of Christians I dislike (who worship the kind of god I ranted about earlier) are the Evangelicals, the extremist American protestants. Those people piss me off, especially Calvinists. Catholics I'm alright with though to a degree.

Ah yeah, I see... to be honest, I don't know too much about evangelicals or protestants, so I can't talk about. smile.gif I thought you were talking about catholics' god. I grew up in a catholic family and in catholic country, so its what I have more contact and I know some people that describe god (the catholic one) as you described. Beside it, the 'second' religion here is the ones with african influence..... and I have studied/pratice budhism for almost 6 years, so Im kind a mix of it hehe, thats what i know better.


I could say that I don't follow a religion.... and I have my own 'god' and we talk everyday while I run at the sunrise or while Im working with my patients smile.gif


Edit: I just thought in something funny hehe ... I use to say that I 'talk' with my god and everytime I say it, have some people that look to me in a ironic or weird way biggrin.gif and everytime it happens, I just think in a Fox Mulder's quote (from X-Files) that I never forget because fits really well with that....

"They say when you talk to God it's prayer. But when God talks to you, it's schizophrenia." laugh.gif

If I believe I talk with him/her why he/she can't talk with me?? smile.gif
M1KEY
QUOTE(Andres @ Dec 22 2007, 03:23 AM) *
I started going back to church earlier this year. I went to confession for the first time in nearly 5 years last month. So after going a couple times and talking to the priest, I decided to go and talk to him about my sexuality. I know the church's attitude toward homosexuality, so i went in there very defensive waiting for someone to tell me why it's wrong. His response was really shocking. He commended me for being brave and comfortable enough with who i am to be able to discuss it, and to be able to tell my family and friends that it's who i am. He also didn't give me the regular schpill about what the Bible says. Instead he told me that he believes god loves all of for who we are, and that we are all created in his image. Just because gays are a minority in this world, doesn't mean that we are indifferent of the same feelings of love than anyone else. It was all very refreshing to hear, and then we were able to talk more in depth about why i have some of the problems i have.

He really gave me the feeling that I was invited to be a part of my religion. And it helped reassure me that my decision to go back to church was the right one. For the all crap people talk about people who go to church, I don't understand it. Not once have i ever felt that my religion has told me to look down on other people. It's never taught me to look down on anyone. I've always learned that being a good person is about doing what's right, and living a life that is selfless and eager to do right. I'd be kidding myself if i didn't think i was selfish, because I am. But i've always felt the goal of religion is to be a better person.

Earlier this year I was really depressed. Borderline suicidal. The problems started when I realized I was in love with my best friend, who is a guy, and who's straight. Obvious dilemma that I never really recognized till it really became an issue that consumed me. I noticed that I became dependent on him in too many ways, and I knew that was unhealthy for me and most importantly for our friendship. So i decided to go back to church when I decided to start praying that i recognize how to be a stronger individual. I used prayer as a way to guide me. I never thought that god was going to come down with a magic wand and just suddenly make me better. I knew i had it within me to be that person, but i used prayer as a way to help myself realize it. When i pray, i usually end up thinking to myself for 20-30 minutes about everything thats bothering me. And it's in those instances where I discover little bits of myself that I know i need to work on, and how to do it. Some people don't need prayer to realize it, some people don't need the church to help guide them. I think the most important thing is that people find happiness, because there are many ways to do it, and not all lead through god or religion. For some people, belief in what they can accomplish on their own is more than enough to help guide them. I wasn't that person and luckily i realized it before i did something stupid. Now i just use every oppurtunity i get to talk to my friends about the things on my mind, and i continue to use prayer as a stepping stone in helping me fix myself.

And there's my bit about religion.


Andres, I had no idea you were gay, perhaps I should keep taking these huge breaks from the forum, or maybe you haven't mentioned it before. Either way, I'm so glad you were able to find a way to deal with the issues that were hurting you. I'm also very glad that your religion has never been used to hurt you or people you know. Unfortunately I can't say I've been as lucky. My Uncle is a minister in the United Church and he told me he would be shocked if I followed Christianity today because of the way my parents rammed it down my throat all my life and used it against me when I was coming to terms with being gay and I came out to them. Being alienated by my parents when I was 15 because of their faith was one of the post painful times in my life, second only to my mom's passing away when I was 19.

Getting back to the topic of religion, I was engaged to a guy at one point, and my Uncle told me that when I get married he would like to perform the ceremony. That meant so much to me, coming from someone not only of Christian faith, but a minister in the church! It didn't change my beliefs, but it did give me a renewed faith in people themselves.

It also gave me more respect for the United Church. My Uncle and I have had long theological discussions together, and it's amazing how well the United Church has evolved with society and with science and they understand that the Bible isn't to be taken literally. He has told me about several stories in the Bible that have been researched and traced back to their original languages and found to be very badly translated, especially those that were written in Ancient Greek. Like the parting of the Red Sea, it's been discovered that the translation was wrong, that it was a Reed Sea, which was what swamps were reffered to as. The few carriages that were actually following the slaves got stuck in the mud because of the change in how wet and dry the swamps were between night and day. The slaves crossed when it was dry and when the carriages got there, they were too late to cross.

This information isn't widely discussed, especially with congregations, but it was taught to my Uncle while he was going to school to join the ministry. They also acknowledge the great exaggeration of most stories in the Bible, but like most stories today, they were exaggerated to interest people more so that they could better spread their teachings and morals.

It's simply fascinating to have a discussion like this with someone in the ministry, not to mention refreshing. I feel people need to do away with fundamentalism, I persoanlly think it is a dangerous way of thinking and it leaves no room for personal growth. I think that with almost anything, it's important to look past the literal text and find something more.

I didn't plan on writing all that... I hope it was interesting for those of you who braved it. tongue.gif

And Andres, I'm so glad to know another gay dude with awesome taste in music! Hehehe
goodday
^awww yeah, it was really refreshing and interesting wub.gif Thanks for your post wink.gif

...and Im sorry about your parents and your mother confused.gif
M1KEY
QUOTE(goodday @ Dec 23 2007, 10:07 AM) *
^awww yeah, it was really refreshing and interesting wub.gif Thanks for your post wink.gif

...and Im sorry about your parents and your mother confused.gif


Thank you, that means a lot.
goodday
QUOTE(M1KEY @ Dec 23 2007, 11:11 AM) *
Thank you, that means a lot.

Aw *hugs* happy.gif
novacaine_kid
QUOTE(Relavar @ Dec 22 2007, 11:26 PM) *
John FJ is amazing.


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you have no idea how wrong you are my friend
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(goodday @ Dec 23 2007, 06:04 AM) *
"They say when you talk to God it's prayer. But when God talks to you, it's schizophrenia." laugh.gif


House said the same thing. My friend named his dog Mulder.
goodday
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 23 2007, 03:20 PM) *
House said the same thing. My friend named his dog Mulder.

Ah House said the same?! So maybe it is a popular quote and I didn't know biggrin.gif I always thought it was a Mulder's quote biggrin.gif I love his quotes, I have some in mind for ever heh
....and believe me or not, a friend named her cat Schully tongue.gif
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(goodday @ Dec 23 2007, 12:32 PM) *
Ah House said the same?! So maybe it is a popular quote and I didn't know biggrin.gif I always thought it was a Mulder's quote biggrin.gif I love his quotes, I have some in mind for ever heh
....and believe me or not, a friend named her cat Schully tongue.gif


Well House's quote was "You talk to God, you're religious, if God talks to you you're crazy".

goodday
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 23 2007, 04:05 PM) *
Well House's quote was "You talk to God, you're religious, if God talks to you you're crazy".

Sounds the same, is not it?! smile.gif Just the way to say it fits a bit more with House and his kind of mood wink.gif I think its a popular quote so heh
Anyway, the idea behind it its interesting, I guess.
spark in the night
QUOTE(novacaine_kid @ Dec 23 2007, 09:34 AM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif

you have no idea how wrong you are my friend

ey now, FJ is theh shit cool.gif
midlfecrysis
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 07:46 PM) *
Not to you. You are still a self-righteous, pity-seeking, "feel sorry for me cause I have a 'disease'" person.


Okay then, I'll try not let the things you say to me bother me so. But I really wish you didn't think I was such an awful person.
anarchistloserkid
Okay, first of all, FJ typed one sentence in your way. Me, I could understand, but don't give any shit to FJ, he's just saying his honest opinion.

And by advertising how I made you feel to the entire site, you prove further that you want attention. Otherwise you'd have not said anything, or at the very least sent me a personal message.

And no, you shouldn't care what I say. But if it really means something to you, then tell me and not the entire fucking forum.
Evil Angel
wow. I have NO idea what's going on here.
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(Evil Angel @ Dec 23 2007, 06:06 PM) *
wow. I have NO idea what's going on here.

Me neither.
Jillie Boe.
QUOTE(Evil Angel @ Dec 23 2007, 07:06 PM) *
wow. I have NO idea what's going on here.

What's wrong with you? It happens like every 5th page of this thread, and it always includes the same people!
midlfecrysis
QUOTE(FJ @ Dec 22 2007, 06:11 PM) *
I doubt he's sorry to you, because even I find you really, really fucking annoying, and I've only read your posts.


Why, because I state my beliefs. Or is it because I'm old and have no business being on this forum, which is probably true. One of the things I'm always trying to work on is my tolerance of others. That is so hard to do, especially when people seem to attack you. I just state my OPINIONS, I don't critisize others views, or try and conform them to mine.
Evil Angel
QUOTE(Jillie Boe. @ Dec 23 2007, 07:08 PM) *
What's wrong with you? It happens like every 5th page of this thread, and it always includes the same people!

I just started reading this tread about 2 pages ago....
midlfecrysis
Merry Christmas all, and peace and blessings for the New Year.

Mary
**nobodylikesyou**
>>A
>>man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard.
>>Suddenly, the light turned yellow just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk,
even though he could have beaten the red light by accelerating through the intersection.

>>The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration as she missed her chance to get through the
>>intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.
>>
>>
>>
>>As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer.
>>Theofficer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up. He took her to the police
>>station where she was searched, finger printed, photographed, and put in a
>>holding cell. After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and
>>opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the
>>arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.
>>
>>
>>
>>He said, 'I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I
>>pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy
>>in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him.
I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, the 'Choose Life' License plate holder, the
>>'Follow Me to Sunday-School' bumper Sticker, And the chrome-plated Christian fish
>>emblem on the trunk,

Naturally...I assumed you had stolen the car.'


>>Priceless.
*******************************************************************

That made me laugh. I must say, those kind of christians give the rest of them a bad name.
rootbeersoup
Merry CHRISTmas smile.gif

AND STOP HATIN ON MY NEW FRIEND MIDLFECRYSIS mad.gif crying.gif
**nobodylikesyou**
QUOTE(rootbeersoup @ Dec 25 2007, 10:42 AM) *
Merry CHRISTmas smile.gif

AND STOP HATIN ON MY NEW FRIEND MIDLFECRYSIS mad.gif crying.gif

I surely hope you arent talking to me??? I love Mary. wub.gif wub.gif
rootbeersoup
QUOTE(**nobodylikesyou** @ Dec 25 2007, 10:43 AM) *
I surely hope you arent talking to me??? I love Mary. wub.gif wub.gif


I was talking to my friend anarchistwinnerkid and the rest of those meanies crying.gif
Parley
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 22 2007, 08:11 PM) *
I have been raised as a Catholic,

Despite the fact that I am agnostic and quite unreligious, I occassionally step up to defend the Catholic Church. Why? I really don't know.

Because you were raised as a Catholic. Duh.
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(Parley @ Dec 25 2007, 11:46 AM) *
Because you were raised as a Catholic. Duh.


More so because I hate the ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions that go around.
rootbeersoup
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 25 2007, 10:50 AM) *
More so because I hate the ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions that go around.


Like playing the devil's, I mean, Jesus' advocate?

LOL I MADE A FUNNY... BUT NO ONE IS LAUGHING crying.gif
Parley
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 25 2007, 11:50 AM) *
More so because I hate the ridiculous stereotypes and misconceptions that go around.

You're the one who wrote you don't know why you defend the Catholic church. I told you why. laugh.gif
anarchistloserkid
QUOTE(Parley @ Dec 25 2007, 11:57 AM) *
You're the one who wrote you don't know why you defend the Catholic church. I told you why. laugh.gif


Well it's sort of like having an ex-girlfriend who you really don't like anymore, but still don't want people talking shit about her.
Parley
QUOTE(anarchistloserkid @ Dec 25 2007, 11:58 AM) *
Well it's sort of like having an ex-girlfriend who you really don't like anymore, but still don't want people talking shit about her.

I totally understand that.
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